Cinnamon mint 16 freezing

jbander · 01-06-2014, 12:32 PM

Mint 16 Freezing still

Postby jbander on Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:23 pm
I just watched with me doing nothing , just watching a video, it froze up solid. I'm operating Cinnamon and here is my terminal reading for inxi -gx "jbander@jbander-System-Product-Name ~ $ inxi -Gx
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210] bus-ID: 02:00.0
X.Org: 1.14.3 drivers: (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) FAILED: nouveau Resolution: 1920x1080@60.0hz
GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on NVA8 GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 9.2.1 Direct Rendering: Yes"

I see failed in there but I don't know what it means. any sugestions

zuzoa · 01-06-2014, 01:03 PM

You're using the open-source Nvidia driver, nouveau, which is crashing. Try using the proprietary one from Nvidia, you can find your download here.

jbander · 01-06-2014, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by zuzoa

You're using the open-source Nvidia driver, nouveau, which is crashing. Try using the proprietary one from Nvidia, you can find your download here.

***************************************It crashes when I try to use the recommended driver. Should I start trying to use the other ones that are on the driver program.

enorbet · 01-09-2014, 06:47 PM

Greetings
I find it hard to believe that a properly installed driver from nVidia crashes on such a simple process. It is far more likely that there is some conflict within your system, like not properly blacklisting "nv" and "nouveau" thus insuring the proprietary driver/module has exclusive access. I'm all in favor of OSS whenever possible but some distros, and Mint is one of them, make you really jump through hoops and even sidestep recommended install procedure for the nVidia, or any other non-OSS code.

That said, Ubuntu 13.10 (and I assume any derivative, like Mint) is at least doing better than in the past at installing the manufacturer's driver. Hopefully this is true for you. Do check though, in "/etc/modprobe.d/" to see if especially "nouveau" has been blacklisted. FWIW I applaud the continuing improvement of the nouveau driver, but it is still way below the proprietary driver in solid performance.

jbander · 01-09-2014, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by enorbet

Greetings
I find it hard to believe that a properly installed driver from nVidia crashes on such a simple process. It is far more likely that there is some conflict within your system, like not properly blacklisting "nv" and "nouveau" thus insuring the proprietary driver/module has exclusive access. I'm all in favor of OSS whenever possible but some distros, and Mint is one of them, make you really jump through hoops and even sidestep recommended install procedure for the nVidia, or any other non-OSS code.

That said, Ubuntu 13.10 (and I assume any derivative, like Mint) is at least doing better than in the past at installing the manufacturer's driver. Hopefully this is true for you. Do check though, in "/etc/modprobe.d/" to see if especially "nouveau" has been blacklisted. FWIW I applaud the continuing improvement of the nouveau driver, but it is still way below the proprietary driver in solid performance.

******************************************Thanks for the response. There is a half dozen programs that have been blacklisted but I didn't see nouveau blacklisted. Seems to me years back I tried that and the the hoped driver still didn't work and in blacklisting Nouveau it takes it out of the driver manager so it is hard to drop back to nouveau to get it out of vesa. when it goes to vesa because mint crashes,then when I look to see what driver is being used it has said the driver that I'm trying in this case 319 and 304 both in multiple configurations are the ones in use. so can it still be the unblacklisted nouveau

enorbet · 01-10-2014, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jbander

******************************************Thanks for the response. There is a half dozen programs that have been blacklisted but I didn't see nouveau blacklisted. Seems to me years back I tried that and the the hoped driver still didn't work and in blacklisting Nouveau it takes it out of the driver manager so it is hard to drop back to nouveau to get it out of vesa. when it goes to vesa because mint crashes,then when I look to see what driver is being used it has said the driver that I'm trying in this case 319 and 304 both in multiple configurations are the ones in use. so can it still be the unblacklisted nouveau

Disclaimer -
I'm probably not well qualified to help a whole lot more than pointing to the reason for the crash, a conflict and never really having the proprietary driver working correctly. It is also possible that your crash could be solved by making sure you don't have some partially or improperly installed "nvidia" driver and rely on "nouveau", assuming you have no need of 3D acceleration.

I used Mint once for a few days and the closest I have gotten for any extended use is Studio Ubuntu, and I am heavily biased against both automatic dependency resolving package managers and systems that boot to X. I don't hate them anymore. I continue to keep my hand in play by messing with a few, but I'm better at editing scripts to do what I want than trusting automatics.

So my best recommendation is google how to properly install/uninstall the proprietary nvidia driver in Mint.

That said, you can easily view more of what is going on with "lsmod" to see what modules are loaded, and "modinfo" to see what modules are linked to others if you're unfamiliar with any. I am unfamiliar with how well nouveau can handle the jobs you expect from your GeForce 210, so job #1 for you is to decide what you need, as in do you need 3D acceleration for starters since nouveau is presently incapable of that afaik. Then, once decided which driver has the capability you require, see how that is best done according to Mint rules.

PS to simplify recovering from a "vesa" implementation just be sure you know how to use your favorite text editor to comment out (like with "#") or remove altogether the blacklisting of nouveau. This should be trivial even in a vesa "powered" X.

jbander · 01-10-2014, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enorbet

Disclaimer -
I'm probably not well qualified to help a whole lot more than pointing to the reason for the crash, a conflict and never really having the proprietary driver working correctly. It is also possible that your crash could be solved by making sure you don't have some partially or improperly installed "nvidia" driver and rely on "nouveau", assuming you have no need of 3D acceleration.

I used Mint once for a few days and the closest I have gotten for any extended use is Studio Ubuntu, and I am heavily biased against both automatic dependency resolving package managers and systems that boot to X. I don't hate them anymore. I continue to keep my hand in play by messing with a few, but I'm better at editing scripts to do what I want than trusting automatics.

So my best recommendation is google how to properly install/uninstall the proprietary nvidia driver in Mint.

That said, you can easily view more of what is going on with "lsmod" to see what modules are loaded, and "modinfo" to see what modules are linked to others if you're unfamiliar with any. I am unfamiliar with how well nouveau can handle the jobs you expect from your GeForce 210, so job #1 for you is to decide what you need, as in do you need 3D acceleration for starters since nouveau is presently incapable of that afaik. Then, once decided which driver has the capability you require, see how that is best done according to Mint rules.

PS to simplify recovering from a "vesa" implementation just be sure you know how to use your favorite text editor to comment out (like with "#") or remove altogether the blacklisting of nouveau. This should be trivial even in a vesa "powered" X.

*******************************************Thank you I have a clearer picture on where I stand on this , I will try to install recommended driver and blacklist nouveau