Are you for or against systemd?
 

Are you for or against systemd?

Personally, I do not have any strong opinion one way or the other.

So what do you think?

No offense, but do we really need yet another debate on this, seven years after the initial release?

Best regards,
HMW

Friendly hint. If you do a forum search. You will see your thread is beating a dead horse that had the effect as religion and politics threads. Pay attention to the 2014 dated threads.

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Just for info. I run a systemd free install on this laptop.

The OP isn't trying to re-open the debate, as far as I can see. After all the excitement in past years, it's rather interesting to see how people have ended up. I suspect that most, like me, will have settled for "don't care".

Ding! Ding! Ding!

And we have a winner!!!

Spot on!!! :hattip: :hattip: :hattip:

my guess is that systemd is causing a lot of the problems that people come here to fix

it's a solution to a problem that never was

as long as systemd is causing problems like it or not the debate will remain open

as I post this thread 50% hate it 16.?? don't like it so it's 66% don't want it

also there is the question of it's questionable source given that there will always be
the question of weather it has a U.S. government back door or not
given that it is known for a fact that the NSA has backdoored windoze
the question would the U.S government want a backdoor in linux ?
the answer isn't just yes it's HELL YES!
@ rokytnji
given that the poll has 50% hate it your asking people to reopen old threads

Let's leave that question out of this thread (unless your talking about systemd), thank you.

I voted "Could not careless!" for the record.

there should be a fifth choice:
but fwiw; i'm not qualified to have a real opinion about it either way. i am not that deeply involved in the innermost ongoings of my machine, or floss politics, or coding.
and, tbh, i think about 90% of all people being very opinionated one way or the other, don't really have a clue either.

I use whatever tools I'm given.

Given post #8's suggestion of a fifth choice, I would suggest a sixth choice:

...which is not the same as, "Couldn't care less".

Systemd was a choice, albeit an intrusive one.

I saw it (and a few other trends) as a de facto fork away from my chosen computing philosophy and best practices, which I will simply describe as Unix-like.

As such, I rejected those forks and continue my own uses along the un-forked path, by using and supporting those OSes and projects which have also chosen the un-forked, Unix-like path (Slackware and FreeBSD in my case).

So, it is simply irrelevant to me now.

Those still conflicted as if we were all locked in a fight to the death with systemd have not yet made their own choice.

They should either accept it, or reject it and continue along their chosen path in peace.

This right here

'tis the devils work! burn the witch!

I've used several distros with SystemD and it works fine for me.

I don't like the idea of having to learn it, because I'm lazy, but so far it's been quite well-behaved. Plus a sysadmin I know tells me that, in the context of his moderate-sized network, it makes startup noticeably smoother.

There wasn't really any debate. The systemd crowd just shouted down or went ad hominem against any opposition and was eventually able to turn one key person on the Debian technical committee, creating a cascade to all the downstream distros. But that is water under the bridge.

What makes systemd a relevant problem today are several factors. Here are two, to keep it short.' One is that Ubuntu is doubling down on the GNOME 3 disaster and that is tied to systemd and will likely increase systemd dependencies in unrelated packages, making it harder for clean distros to progress as they spend more time cleaning packages. Another is that systemd still, seven years after the initial release, has not hit alpha stage yet. Features and many misfeatures are still being added and not finished.

Control freaks always make me thirsty. I think I'll have another beer.