All this talk about being anti-systemd and no one does anything about it.

DavidMcCann · 04-04-2018, 11:43 AM

You should know by now that the internet is the refuge for conspiracy theorists who can't get anyone to listen to them in real life

Red Hat and Micro Focus International make a lot of money by providing people with what they want. If they didn't, people would stop using their products.

fido_dogstoyevsky · 04-04-2018, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidMcCann

You should know by now that the internet is the refuge for conspiracy theorists who can't get anyone to listen to them in real life

I don't have any trouble getting people to listen to me but they always change the subject by poking fun at my foil helmet

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Red Hat and Micro Focus International make a lot of money by providing people with what they want. If they didn't, people would stop using their products.

Or they make a lot of money by spending money to convince people to want what they sell.

rob.rice · 04-13-2018, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jmgibson1981

People need to stop beating this dead horse. There are people who get paid likely hundreds of thousands if not a few million dollars to make decisions on whether or not to use systemd. They know far more about it and it's inner workings than any armchair enthusiast on a forum could ever hope to. If it wasn't an improvement then they (RedHat / Suse) wouldn't risk their profits on it. Everyone else following suit with the people that actually make money from it. It's not rocket science.

Let it go people. It's here to stay. One problem I see perpetually with *nix users is they hang onto the past. Move on already. Let sleeping dogs lie.

yes it is a horse a trojan horse
red HAT is a U.S. government contractor
in the real world the what the boss wants the boss gets as long as he pays for it
back around 2008 the NSA wanted a backdoor put in the kernel Linus refused
so they had red HAT come up with a way to put a backdoor in to linux so red HAT came out with systemd
systemd is a one stop cyber arsenal shop
anybody else remember that bricking mother boards is not a bug
no it's a cyber weapon
that statement told he whole story of what systemd is all about
this sleeping dog is rabid and needs to be killed

jmgibson1981 · 04-18-2018, 02:58 PM

i have a tinfoil hat you can have.

rob.rice · 04-18-2018, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jmgibson1981

i have a tinfoil hat you can have.

do you insult every body you disagree with crazy post reported

jefro · 04-18-2018, 04:43 PM

This is the linux general forum. As such members are asked to direct replies towards the original question please.

theKbStockpiler · 04-29-2018, 10:55 AM

So it's not disputable that SystemD/RedHat does not follow the founding principles of Unix/Linux and is headed for the principles of what MS was founded on.

A group has to be formed to implement a workaround. Why doesn't the OP start a thread of the best way to circumvent SystemD and then see if they are able to contribute to the project? I intuitively would try to get the Application Developers to write 2 programs because right now they are dependent on SystemD, correct? If not build a Application that interfaces with user Applications for the use of a Program like init. When the user application calls SystemD, it get's sent to the init replacement.

theKbStockpiler · 04-29-2018, 10:58 AM

Better yet ,ask first for people to contribute to circumvent SystemD and then form groups based on how it is done.

deepclutch · 05-03-2018, 08:14 AM

systemd seems to be a carefully crafted project, by social engineering, by enforcement and I wonder who are the ones doing it? RedHat? Nope? Even Debian had failed us by embracing systemd. So, my guess is, the usual suspects are the ones who are taking over Linux community by relying systemd as the key dependency. Of course, it is abuse and doomsday prophet titles that will await ANYONE who questions systemd.

BTW, @/dev/random all the best for trying. Devuan seems struggling to fight against systemd menace. Gentoo seems to me, the only distro that successfully evades systemd. Which init manager? OpenRC or runit?

_roman_ · 05-03-2018, 09:45 AM

Well I agree gentoo is one of the few who give choice

I am still on openrc / eudev + i3wm window manager

I am locked out of the gnome desktop. there were some hacks to get it running, but it is not worth the hassle.

and kde dependencies are only installed because of k3b. and that brings in too many packages which are not really needed. gentoo devs are lazy.

I saw another arch linux based distro which also avoided systemd.

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When you ditch all the big desktop environments you can easily ditch systemd. e.g. xfce / gnome / kde and such

fido_dogstoyevsky · 05-03-2018, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by deepclutch

...Devuan seems struggling to fight against systemd menace. Gentoo seems to me, the only distro that successfully evades systemd...

And a couple more over here http://without-systemd.org/wiki/inde...ithout_systemd

deepclutch · 05-04-2018, 12:19 AM

~~edit double posting.

deepclutch · 05-04-2018, 02:13 AM

Most disappointing is, it is really hard to get latest Gnome to work well without systemd. Back few years, I imagined Upstart will become the de facto init. Sorry! RedHat and Government/vested interest groups (may be) have to shove systemd all across. Why don't we have many init's? Who wants this enforcement of systemd? Why many apps/packages are built to satisfy this system demon? I wonder what happened to Upstart author? Had great hope, it will take off. Instead, the evil won.

FredGSanford · 08-13-2018, 03:02 PM

Whatever happen to his systemd free distro? Is the OPS still around?

jmgibson1981 · 08-18-2018, 04:43 PM

These anti systemd threads are so worn out. The major distros, or any distro really is not obligated to provide you with your personal choice. By demanding they include your choice (in this case sysv) you are denying them their choice and right to do what they want with THEIR distro. Don't like it, make your own or move elsewhere.

TLDR - Make your own distro or stop whining. Can't make your own distro? Then learn. But quit demanding they cater to your personal desires. They owe you nothing.