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replica9000 05-17-2014 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by cynwulf (Post 5172280)
After years of faffing with the proprietary drivers, I now just use the FOSS drivers on older hardware, Radeon HD 3xxx, and all I can do is relate my own experiences: it works. I am not playing proprietary games of course, nor do I use my computer to watch TV, but kwin compositing effects work, 2D rendering is very good - no problems, no jerky scrolling, glitches, no crashes, nothing.

With the nvidia driver on my old PC, 2D performance was crap and I had to run a shell script when X started to apply some settings to nvidia-settings to get half decent performance.

I haven't used fglrx for over two years, but I think they dropped support for my GPU at some point anyway - either way don't care and don't want to deal with fglrx.

When all is said and done, high end AMD/Nvidia graphics hardware is designed for windows games...

The cards I have I guess are mid grade (9800GT/GTS450/GTX550). I don't really do gaming other than emulators for the old 8/16bit games. Since I've switched to nvidia, everything just works. I upgrade packages, let dkms do it's thing, and still working.

With fglrx, I feared upgrades. Always either a compatibility with my xorg.conf, or xorg itself. When it did work, there were graphics glitches and somethings that couldn't be rendered (composite + video = blue box). At the time, I don't think the FOSS drivers worked with the HD3XXX/HD4XXX series. They do work well with my Xpress 200M though.

With Steam supporting Linux, high end cards may actually be useful for gaming in the future.

Randicus Draco Albus 05-17-2014 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by replica9000 (Post 5172475)
With Steam supporting Linux, high end cards may actually be useful for gaming in the future.

We can hope. It would be nice if Steam worked perfectly. Then bazillions of people would stop littering the internet with pleas for help to get Steam working on Linux systems.

jamison20000e 05-17-2014 04:55 AM

"Bazillions?"

Eireannach 05-17-2014 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by stratotak (Post 5171734)
Today..I just dont have the patience to be fixing Linux all the time and tracking down problems and solutions.

Hi stratotak,

I can sympathise with you - although I reckon I am a good bit older :D . Why not just run Debian stable ? Is new and shiny always better ?

If you feel you really must have testing then go with a Debian based semi-rolling distro e.g SolydXK and let someone else do the "fixing" for you.

enorbet 05-17-2014 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Randicus Draco Albus (Post 5172533)
We can hope. It would be nice if Steam worked perfectly. Then bazillions of people would stop littering the internet with pleas for help to get Steam working on Linux systems.

Steam runs fine on Linux. Some "windows-only" games require different versions of wine with differing settings and that all but requires PlayOnLinux. I have DX-11 games working with those on Linux and the low-latency is unmatchable in Windows. With IBM spending yet another billion dollars on Linux and Steam offering incentives, etc etc, it's only a matter of time before even the die hards will have to admit that Linux is just better, if you have even a little motivation to tweak and configure.

The only remaining area that is probably still a few years away in parity is multi-media recording/editing.

ondoho 05-17-2014 02:10 PM

i think once you got it figured out, most systems are pretty stable.
it's when you start tweaking or install something NEW that needs some extra 4d accel, when things start getting messy and frustrating.

i have come to accept my setup, what i can and cannot do with it, and although it's arolling distro, i find it stable enough. i definitely spend the biggest amount of time on my computer on entertainment and projects.
but that doesn't mean i want to go back to windows.
hell, no.
i'm almost completely in control of my computer and for the world i wouldn't want to give that up.

sometimes i feel like setting up a new system, just for the heck of it, but then i ask myself: why? wouldn't you rather... i don't know ... create that piece of ambient music you always wanted to, or design a web page, or help others...

if something's not new any more, it doesn't mean you're getting old.

enorbet 05-17-2014 09:32 PM

Besides.... getting old is an important cert! :)

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Originally Posted by Richard Pryor as Mudbone
Old Fool? Ain't no such thing. You don't get to be old bein' no fool. Lotta young smartass deader than shit!


Shadow_7 05-17-2014 11:18 PM

I'm a bit old too, but I haven't forgotten why I started using linux. Yes linux is a bit tedious, but in linux you start bare bones and add what you use. In windows you start with everything and spend a lifetime trying to uninstall 99% of it. Only to have windows reinstall it. I like knowing what my system is doing. Even if twenty plus years later, I'm still configuring audio from the command line.

m.a.l.'s pa 05-18-2014 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by stratotak (Post 5171734)
Linux is cool.Its like being 18 and having a cool 1969 Mustang that breaks down every other week and you have to fix it.
Today..I just dont have the patience to be fixing Linux all the time and tracking down problems and solutions.

That sort of thing doesn't happen here -- especially not with Debian Stable.

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Originally Posted by stratotak (Post 5171734)
I guess i have gotten to old for Linux [...] When I first tried Linux it was around 2002 or so [...] I was in my 20's

Around 2002, my 20s had been long gone for quite awhile already. Most of my hair, too. :)

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Originally Posted by cynwulf (Post 5172135)
You are running testing.

Oh, I see.

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Originally Posted by dugan (Post 5172195)
If I had that problem and I didn't want to spend time fixing it, then I would switch to another browser, not to another OS.

+1

enine 05-22-2014 07:22 AM

The OP is the reason I switched to Linux. I grew tired of fixing Windows and trying to chase down updates for everything.
Though I would have to admit if Linux broke I probably wouldn't know how to fix it since I've never gotten any practice at it.

replica9000 05-22-2014 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by enine (Post 5175154)
The OP is the reason I switched to Linux. I grew tired of fixing Windows and trying to chase down updates for everything.
Though I would have to admit if Linux broke I probably wouldn't know how to fix it since I've never gotten any practice at it.

Install Linux in a VM and experiment.

enine 05-22-2014 11:32 AM

I actually have several VM's but those are usually because I want to learn something else, I'll create one and install a new app I want to experiment wit. I learn a lot installing new stuff and getting it working.
My main point was that I've never really had to fix anything as it never breaks (unlike Windows)

nyc_rr 05-24-2014 04:59 PM

I'm 46 years old and I've been using linux for years and I have written several shell scripts for common tasks on my system. It's not an age thing, it's a determination thing and a willingness to learn as much as possible.

♫♫♫ "I don't want to grow up, I'm a linux R' us kid" ♫♫♫

rob.rice 05-25-2014 09:41 PM

sounds like a crome problem to me
honestly dude your blaming a the faults of a beta program on linux
dump crome problem solved

brianL 05-26-2014 07:10 AM

Just turned 69, and still interested in learning. And still able to do so (or is that wishful thinking? :) ).


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