This is just a warning to anyone going to get a distro with xorg. It Suks, well in winex cedega, or wine it does. Im just pissed about this stupid x11 manager, and hope it dies. I miss my 70-99fps in counter-strike, i miss my 30-100fps in battlefield, i miss my non chopy max payne, and i miss my 70fps (transgaming hud) in Warcraft 3 tft. Why did redhat f up again, they put shit that just suks and take out stuff, that an average user uses. With the all the configurations (linuxgamers how to, a newer steam driver, LOW resolution, and low quality color) ill be glad to see 60fps, for a little while, all other times, it gets as low as 30 or worse 11fps. How could this be possible??? How? My computer is MORE then capable of playing this ancient game,
AMD Athlon 2500+, 512 megs of 3200ram, GeForce 2 GTS 32megs (u may think thats the problem but no, just the week before I put in Fedora Core 2, I was getting in the 90s, in both Battlefield 1942, and Counter-Strike.) I would go back to an older distro with XFree, but nope, i dont have my Mandrake 10 cds with my anymore, they werent mine. Enough rant, just wanted to tell others before they venture further into this crap.

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Yes. I know how to install the NVIDIA drivers.

i don't see a problem with xorg at all. it runs perfectly fine for me. maybe you could try compiling xorg yourself instead of using an RPM to install?

I' surprised that you're so quick to blame xorg. There must be many differences between FC2 and Mandrake 10 that go much deeper than X. How do you know that xorg is causing the problem rather than, for example, a differently configured kernel? Personally, I went from xfree to xorg in Gentoo without noticing any performance differences.

I've looked around, (here, transgaming.org/forum, googleness) and I've only found ppl who get less fps in glxgears. But I just dont understand, this should be not too much of a difference right? If so, why im I geting lowfps, in just about every game, except quake3 which is nothing new, and its native, so blech.. I've used Hackedox, as my window manager, I tried to use lower color resolutions, lowered my video memory, I dont have anything in background, but I still cant get this problem worked around. I have only one solution, Ima change to and older distro, with xfree, and no i didnt install this my self, it came standard with Fedora.

Well the reason why they (and most other distros) switched is because of this: Version 1.1 of XFree86® Project Licence. Just look at the list of distros they have, none of the major distros are using XFree86 any more. The X window system is way too important to Linux's success to leave it in the hands of someone who may just up and change the Licensing on an whim. I think XFree86's days are numbered.

If you don't like it just get an old xfree86 rpm off a mandrake ftp site. You can either rpm -e xorg or better yet do this:
mv /usr/X11R6 /usr/Xorg
Then if something don't work you can change it back.

I'm running xorg, without any noticable differences in performance from XFree86 in at least wine/HL and Enemy Territory. I would eliminate other sources of the problem before assuming its Xorg

I like it better than XFree.

I don't see how X.org is different, apart from the license. Does anyone know how it's different? I'm using XFree 4.4.0, and I'm fine with it.

It's not any different as far as I know, except maybe in trivial ways - it's basically just a fork immediately prior to the license change and so is basically the same. I don't game and I ain't gonna say what my fps is in glxgears because it sucks but with Slack 10, new nvidia drivers, and xorg, it's much better than with 9.1, the last set of drivers, and XFree. And my DVDs would sometimes freeze up for some reason even though I've got more than enough box for them and now they do fine. So I'd say the new drivers rock and xorg is about the same.

I agree with those who say it probably isn't Xorg.

xorg's X implementation is almost the same as xfree86's (as digiot just said, they forked quite recently). However, lots of people (myself included) are a little fed up with xfree's slow development. The significance of X.org is that it will introduce competition, which will help both implentations to become better products. As a comparison, imagine how much KDE/gnome would suck if the other wasn't around.

I have /usr/XFree and /usr/Xorg both installed. I can switch between them by simply changing the symlink /usr/X11R6 to point to the one I want to use.

This is not a definitive answer by no means but here are my glxgears output for both servers. Note I used Xfce for both tests:
Now to be fair I built the Xorg server myself and the XFree86 server came with my Suse distro. So most likely that could be the difference, but I'm not going to download XFree86 and compile it just to see. I'm happy with Xorg and plan on switching permanently.

Like digiot said xorg is just a fork of xfree so don't be so quick to blame it.

From xorgs website

forget about fedora and mandrake, switch to slack 10. you'll have all the firepower you'll need and you'll be able to get at the nutz and bolts much better. in the end you'l be really glad you did....

- perry

ps.
love the comment on the air conditioner!

Hmmm... I guess I will get slack ten. But heres one final questions. Does it have any problems like Gentoo2004.1 had? Cuz I dont have a CD burner (yet), and I dont have a floppy drive, to actualy execute whatever file I need. So I buy from cheapiso.com. If thers anything I should know before I buy, plz tell me. I dont want to end up having another dead $7.50 cd lying around in my room.

make sure they run a md5 checksum on the iso image before they burn it.

also, you only need the first two slackware cd's, there's four in the set, the third & fourth being source and extras. but you don't need them to get your system going

here's a couple of places to get the iso's

http://www.linuxiso.org (the 2 cd's)
http://www.slackware.at (all 4 cd's)

- perry