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LFS is a project that provides you with the steps necessary to build your own custom Linux system.

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Old 04-26-2005, 08:10 PM   #1
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Is it just a learning experience


I have recently started building a LFS system. Mostly I'm doing it for the learning experience. I'm sure most here would agree: that's a good enough reason.

But, is that the only good reason to build LFS? Once you have LFS built, is it any better than other distros?

Are there any long time LFS users, who have also used other Linux distros. If so, why do you use LFS? Isn't it more trouble that other distros?
 
Old 04-26-2005, 08:26 PM   #2
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my opinion is it depends on your experience. For my LFS installs I prefer the slackware package management and make alot of changes to the base LFS system. But primarily, I'm a slackware user, mainly because I don't want to have to recompile the base system. it all depends on what you want and if you want to spend the time to build the system.
 
Old 04-27-2005, 06:07 PM   #3
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I use LFS as my main home boot on all our computers because everything works (except for my new TV card, which I'm working on...). I install most of the other distro's because I look after a website for the modem I use http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/index.html I have to install them to work out how to get the modem to work so I can write the pages. Almost all of them have major problems with sound and playing DVDs. I don't build LFS with commands anymore. The novelty wore off so I put all the commands in a few long scripts which can be left to run unattended. It's a guided missile that can be relied upon to hit the spot. It's the other distro's that are more trouble, they're just so weird...
 
Old 04-28-2005, 08:55 AM   #4
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Im with Andrew on this one, initially I tried LFS (vers 4.0) for the novelty / educational value and discovered a distro where everything simply worked and worked well, and have been using it ever since (now at 6.0). I use ALFS to build my base systems and scripts for BLFS. What I like the most is I have learnt a lot about GNU/linux instead of learning the idiosyncracies of some distro. I use LFS at home and at work running apps ranging from Doom3 to Oracle 10g, and I have no complaints at all.

Mad.
 
Old 05-04-2005, 12:48 AM   #5
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Funny. I wonder how many people do the same thing. I love pkgtools on LFS and I made build scripts for all my packages. canabalized the networking scripts from slack and use them on LFS. I've also made a 'master' script that executes all my build scripts in order for an automated install of sorts..

Honestly, from expierence, I didn't learn too much my first time around. Once you hit the second and third time doing it, you start to stray from the book and improvise. Thats when you start learning ALOT of things. Until you do that, it's just a monotonous exercise in copy/paste... Just my 2 cents...
 
Old 05-15-2005, 12:43 PM   #6
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While we're at it..

Does anyone know how I could, say, make an installer and an ISO for my customized LFS distribution, so I could go to a bunch of other computers I administer and install the distribution on them with a Debian-like installer which would install my entire distribution customized to my tastes?
 
Old 05-15-2005, 04:25 PM   #7
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1) After building a few LFS systems, and then trying a top-of the line distro such as suse, I find them to be lacking...having a system with YOUR personel feel built into the system itself can spoil a person. Its really nice having something built FOR YOU and not built for a generic group - with hopes of being close to what you want--which for many people is what they want!
- bottomline is there is a flavor of linx for every tastebud. If you don't like any of the ones out there, coom your own here!

2) I have yet to do the cd-building myself but, I have done some research. (and I cant seem to find my notes at the moment, so start at the two links below)

http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hints/
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...iewcat&catid=8
 
Old 05-16-2005, 03:08 PM   #8
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Thumbs up many thanks

Quote:
Originally posted by Andrew Benton
I use LFS as my main home boot on all our computers because everything works (except for my new TV card, which I'm working on...). I install most of the other distro's because I look after a website for the modem I use http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/index.html I have to install them to work out how to get the modem to work so I can write the pages. Almost all of them have major problems with sound and playing DVDs. I don't build LFS with commands anymore. The novelty wore off so I put all the commands in a few long scripts which can be left to run unattended. It's a guided missile that can be relied upon to hit the spot. It's the other distro's that are more trouble, they're just so weird...
I was just surfing thru' the forum when I spotted your post - I'd like to take the opportunity to thank you for your invaluable speedtouch pages - I'd have given up on installing Linux if it hadn't been for your help in getting my speedtouch to work. Thanks again, the web needs ppl like you.
 
Old 06-05-2005, 07:00 AM   #9
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I'm using LFS 5.1.1. and no other distro. On LFS everything works perfectly, in my case.
 
Old 06-05-2005, 03:49 PM   #10
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I learned 10x more about programming *nix from doing LFS, and I havent even finished yet. I tried like a year ago and learned alot, but it never worked for me for a few reasons. After taking some *nix programming courses this past year, I decided to try again. Im in the middle of an install right now, and I love it so far. I'm running the final pass of Perl tests as we speak, knock on wood but I think i'm far enough that every other package is fairly trivial compared to gcc and glibc.

Im excited

Hopefully I should have a finished base system by later on tonite.
 
Old 07-01-2005, 03:15 PM   #11
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I agree. If you can keep what's left of your hair, it is a priceless learning experience. You really don't get to understand how an operating system works until you knuckle down and try to build one ... and fail ... and try again ... and Google your brains out ... and try again ... and succeed(!).

Linux is of course the only operating-system that you can get your hands on and do such a thing with, unless you work for Microsoft. LFS is designed to give you that experience, with a reasonable "leg up," and it does so very well.

There is obviously a place, and a very good place, for "distros." But until you have ripped off the kid-gloves and torn the car completely apart and somehow(!) managed to put it all back together, you're basically just a user. You simply don't get an opportunity to understand how to fix it. You download the latest packages from the distro provider and you install them and that's fine but ... you really don't know what is going on. If the distro vendor is doing its job well, as most of them do, you are not only relieved of needing to know that much, but in one sort of way also prevented. The "LFS experience" demolishes that.

You need to have, basically, "a system you can afford to trash." I picked my first one up, literally at a Goodwill store. Stuck an old copy of Red Hat on it and wound up getting real familiar with its emergency boot disk. But I learned stuff that I couldn't have learned any other way, and I'm still very much continuing to do that. You have to have a very thick skin. It's the school of hard knocks. But it's a very good school. You don't get graduate credit for it, however.

Last edited by sundialsvcs; 07-01-2005 at 03:20 PM.
 
Old 07-07-2005, 03:47 PM   #12
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Re: many thanks

Quote:
Originally posted by scagman
I was just surfing thru' the forum when I spotted your post - I'd like to take the opportunity to thank you for your invaluable speedtouch pages - I'd have given up on installing Linux if it hadn't been for your help in getting my speedtouch to work. Thanks again, the web needs ppl like you.
same here. Your Fedora howto is now my reference for installing my modem. Especially given the SteveParker script wont work with pppoe and the speedbundle doesnt work on 2.6 kernels.

I've yet to get my LFS far enough to try my modem on that.
 
  


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