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Old 06-01-2012, 04:08 AM   #1
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Question Distro that provides all need packages from repo's....confused LFS vs BLFs


Ok. I have been trying out a ton of different Distro's and keep running in to a ton of "stupid" problems that keeps taking the system down.

Although LFS is a bit more advance for my level with Linux, I have come to the feeling that is what I'm going to have to do so I can better learn how to fix those problems when they happen.

I have made a few attemps thus far but keep running in to the problem that not everything is avaible using apt to install from an already installed system. I have read several of the threads here on LQ, and have even read all the Doc's linked to from here to see what I'm over looking but it just keeps illuding me. I have also tried to search the web for answers but it brings me back to where I started.

Other than the packages, I keep getting hung up on the BLFs vs. LFS
Reading alot of the post here on LQ, it sounds as if I don't need BLFs for LFS........but reading the Docs on LFS, it sounds as if I do

Some of my problem is also due to being "Hardware Challanged" meaning that what I have is low end budget crap that is used hand me down. ( I'll include what hardware specs I can at the bottom. I'm also working with 2 different computers to get up and going so I will indicate which one is which but both have simular specs other than the architecture being that one is AMD64 and the other x86 (AMD Sempron))

The duties I need each to do....


AMD64 (Primary Destop)
  • Guitar AMP w/ effects
  • Video Editting
  • Sound Editting/Recording
  • Game Center (PCSX|WINE|DosBox|Nitendo Emulators)
  • Web Design
  • Photo Editting
  • Part-time File Server for Linux/Windows mixed Network
  • DVD/YouTube/Hulu......(Full Screen Mode without the tearing/slidshow effect)

I also plan to use it to try and learn some programing as I have ideas that if I want them to happen, I'm going to have to learn how to do them myself.

x86 (Desktop playing the role of Network server)
  • Full time file server (Linux/Windows mixed)
  • Web Server (Media/Html/PHP/MySQL/Multiple Domain Sites) **
  • LAN DHCP/DNS Server (Linux/Windows mixed)
  • Application Server (?????)(Not quite sure how to set this up yet but know it can be done with searching the web and remembering my College Classes)
**Single IP via internal routing...I do have my own regeistared domain but renewal is up in the air due to funds. It's currently Hosted via Google Sites but Google will still you blind, release it, and then call it their own. (I know, because this happened to me already and everyone now knows my long, hard work, as GOOGLE PLUS I had even caused myself to have a Heart Attack trying to get it ready to release and not even a month after my Heart Attack, they released Google Plus in Beta. On top of that, around the same time, I had my apartment broke into, so you can guess, where that leaves me sitting now.) Sorry that I went in to a rant about that as my Blood is still boilling over it and money being as it is, I can't afford to take things for granted.
My ISP won't provide a static IP so I will be having to forward to something that can be setup via DynDNS (free account).

Ok. With all that said I have now problem doing a new fresh install using a USB jump drive that can be made with UNetbootin and an ISO. Which Distro would be best to use that I'm not going to run into some package(s) not being avaible?
Which Docs for LFS are a Must?
What one(s) can be fully ignored without compramising security of the system?
Optional Doc(s)?


AMD64 lscpu|lspci
Code:
Architecture:          i686
CPU op-mode(s):        32-bit, 64-bit
Byte Order:            Little Endian
CPU(s):                1
On-line CPU(s) list:   0
Thread(s) per core:    1
Core(s) per socket:    1
CPU socket(s):         1
Vendor ID:             AuthenticAMD
CPU family:            15
Model:                 12
Stepping:              0
CPU MHz:               1994.066
BogoMIPS:              3988.13
L1d cache:             64K
L1i cache:             64K
L2 cache:              512K
-----------------------------------------------------
00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 Host Bridge
00:11.0 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 Serial ATA Controller
00:12.0 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 Serial ATA Controller
00:13.0 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 USB Host Controller
00:13.1 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 USB Host Controller
00:13.2 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 USB2 Host Controller
00:14.0 SMBus: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 SMBus Controller (rev 04)
00:14.1 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 IDE Controller
00:14.3 ISA bridge: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 PCI-ISA Bridge
00:14.4 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 PCI-PCI Bridge
00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration
00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map
00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller
00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control
01:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. VT1720/24 [Envy24PT/HT] PCI Multi-Channel Audio Controller (rev 01)
01:02.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (rev 01)
01:02.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (Secondary) (rev 01)
01:03.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
01:04.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6306/7/8 [Fire II(M)] IEEE 1394 OHCI Controller (rev 80)
I'm currently in the works of trying to get a new graphics card as the only slot one I have, causes an addressing conflict with the on-board that I'm not able to disable in the Bios. I've tried but not able.
x86 (AMD Sempron) lscpu|lspci
Code:
The same as above but minus the slot graphics card and minus the PCI Sound card. Everything is on-board.
As my eyes are getting extremely tired and just to make sure it's not left out.

Both have 1G DDR 400 Ram

Thank you in advance. Sorry about the color changing but as how it was looking to me I wanted to show some seperation. Not have it look all ran together.

Edit: I forgot to ask 1 important question...
Am I able to start and complete to process via SSH or do I have to actauly be physically on the machine that I'm building an LFS System on?

Last edited by dwmolyneux; 06-01-2012 at 04:28 AM. Reason: added a forgotten question
 
Old 06-01-2012, 04:46 AM   #2
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Hi

Alot of Questions, i,m not sure LFS is`what you want with all your requirements. Saying that it could be done a LOT of work invovled. I not sure about of these
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Guitar AMP w/ effects
Video Editting
Sound Editting/Recording
Game Center (PCSX|WINE|DosBox|Nitendo Emulators)
Web Design
Photo Editting
Part-time File Server for Linux/Windows mixed Network
DVD/YouTube/Hulu......(Full Screen Mode without the tearing/slidshow effect)
Lfs is the bsaic build to the OS just about functional, You then move onto BLFS which adds packages to your requirements. I,e desktop, browser etc.

As for building it over ssh I have not done this but I,m sure that can be done as well there is another post on someone trying it.

As for which distro I have used Ubuntu and built ok But some others have problems, I have built using Debain squeeze live cd made persistent as well.
 
Old 06-01-2012, 05:25 AM   #3
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Quote:
Guitar AMP w/ effects
Video Editting
Sound Editting/Recording
Game Center (PCSX|WINE|DosBox|Nitendo Emulators)
Web Design
Photo Editting
Part-time File Server for Linux/Windows mixed Network
DVD/YouTube/Hulu......(Full Screen Mode without the tearing/slidshow effect)
The Guitar Amp w/ effects: I have used Rakarrack on Fedora most current release and on Debian but had to settle for an older one. I actually prefer Rakarrack (current) as it is the easiest to figure out.

Wine...I have always had issues from the first day I got introduced to linux with Wine but I hate to have all my Windows based games just go to waste as I refuse to put windows back on any of my computers. The only windows machine is actually my roommates. I kinda strong armed him in to a Dual Boot Linux Mint 12 /Windows XP while I'm using his computer.

PCSX has been great because I can make use of all my old PSX games again. It was provided via the Linux Mint Repo. The Nes emu(s) are as well but haven't actually tried them yet.

As for the rest of that list...I'm still figuring out what works the best for me.

I do currently have an iso of Ubuntu Minimal. I have just been alittle hesitaint because like you said spiky0011, I have just had issues with it.

Linux Mint is great but it's having issues I just don't want to deal with anymore. Reason is I get one problem fixed just to have 100 more replace it.

I'm not affraid to get dirty and do the extra work needed but I do need some guidince to get there.

To keep having the problems I keep having....I want to know the in's and out's of what makes it tick, that way I can better fix the problems when they happen, or even better, stop them before they do.

I'm a hands on learner combined with learning from interaction. To hand me a book and tell me to go learn what's in it...You might as well just throw it in the trash. It would almost endup being the same results.
 
Old 06-01-2012, 05:53 AM   #4
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Hi

Still not sure this is what you want there will be problems with software and it can break your system, In BLFS there is the software to build a complete usable system, BUT I dont know if the other software is on there that you will/might need, This you will have to go and find on the internet and install along with any dependencies it requires.
There aren't any repos for installing software like main stream distros
 
Old 06-01-2012, 10:56 AM   #5
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Hello dwmolyneux and spiky0011,

Basically, I agree with spiky0011. LFS/BLFS may not be what you need.

But I also am of the opinion that if source code exists for something, then it probably can be installed in a BLFS system. Not by me though, because I don't have (yet?) the required set of skills to deal with certain things like build errors caused by problems in the source. And that is why I think I agree with spiky0011. Your ambitious list of apps sort of implies an impatience to get somewhere fast. To me, that's the problem. You may have the cart ahead of the horse and therefore may be doomed to burn out in a flame of frustration before you get very far. And that comment you made about learning from a book also is a bad omen. LFS and BLFS both exist only as books.

Anyway, if you want to forge ahead, then a couple of things can be peeled off your list right now IMO. The Gimp can do the photo editing, has been in the BLFS book for a long time, and is relatively uncomplicated to build and install.

VLC recently has been added to the BLFS book and can handle the DVDs. Like most sophisticated apps it has a lot of dependent applications. But I could compile and install VLC even before it got into the book. So anybody can do it. For a GUI app to burn disks, K3b is in the BLFS book. It is not so easy to build because you descend into a vast dependency hell of KDE stuff that it needs. I prefer the command line utilities for burning disks.

YouTube can be viewed and clips downloaded using Firefox with the Flash Player plugin and one of the usual downloader extensions. Opera can do it, too, if Facebook doesn't buy it and take it away from us. I use the i686 "drop-in" version of Firefox, the Flash Player 11 plugin, and the Easy YouTube Video Downloader. I have downloaded several rare movies with these things and burned them to DVD (Secret of the Incas, Treasure Island, etc.)

Audacity probably could be built and installed in a BLFS system to do the sound stuff you mentioned. I have used Audacity in Linux distros, but I have not had a reason yet to install it in my BLFS system. It is not in the BLFS book, so you would have to slog your way through that on your own (probably not an impossible thing).

I use Wine in BLFS to run several Windows apps. That arrangement works as well in BLFS as it did in any of my Linux distros.

Some of the other things on your our shopping list I still do in Windows (video editing). And others I don't know much about at all. But who knows, maybe you can eventually bring in something to do all of it. But I recommend that you adjust your timeline and thinking to this being a long-term project.

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Old 06-02-2012, 06:39 AM   #6
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I have started to prep my system for the build using Debian Squeeze but I have run into a problem.

I have posted:
version-check.sh: line 32: gcc: command not found
 
  


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