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Old 05-25-2004, 06:11 AM   #1
Crashed_Again
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Xandros-What am I paying for?


Well, I've wanted to try out a bunch of new distros lately just to see whats going on out there besides Gentoo. I heard some good things about Xandros so I went to their site and I could not believe it. A linux distro that must be purchased. I'm wondering, what does Xandros have that is worth paying for? Do they have packages that I can not download for free under the GPL? Anybody using it?
 
Old 05-26-2004, 01:08 AM   #2
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Xandros is a Debian-based distro with CrossoverOffice and several proprietary extensions.
You are paying for their binary distribution + CrossoverOffice + the extensions. You are
buying a rock-solid Linux distro capable of running MS Windows (tm) programs almost
seamlessly. In effect, you are buying a better Windows than MS Windows.

You misunderstand "free" software. The GPL does not require iso's to be available for free
download. Nor does it require binaries to be available at no cost. Nor does it require the
source to be available to anyone who happens to want it, though with a little searching one
can usually find it for download at no cost.

What it does require is that the source code of GPL'd software that was distributed as
binaries be made available to anyone to whom the binaries were distributed, for a cost not
exceeding the cost of the media for a period of three years. Normally this is done by having
a directory of GPL'd source linked to from the site, or directions on how to get the source.
By licensing code under the GPL, the copyright holders (authors) are extending to any user
the rights to study, modify, and redistribute the code (including their modifications) under
the GPL. It doesn't matter how one comes by the source. It is impossible to steal GPL'd source
code, though a few corporations would like to.

Try finding iso's of RHEL for free download. The are available only after purchasing a
support contract. Is this so much different, other than Xandros is a few thousand dollars
less? However, it would be nice if Xandros supported a community version of their
distribution, with pointers on how to obtain and install the proprietary portions of the distro.

Xandros appears to be in full compliance with the GPL. Source code can be downloaded
from <ftp://ftp2.xandros.com/src/>. The purpose of the GPL is not to provide inexpensive
software for the masses. It is to insure that any software released under the GPL will be
available for review, modification, and redistribution by anyone who comes into possession
of it, forever.

As the iso would include CrossoverOffice, for which I expect Xandros is paying a royalty,
you can't really expect them to allow free downloads, when each download means they
owe the CodeWeaver people more money.
 
Old 05-26-2004, 04:37 AM   #3
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Plus you are helping to support the Linux community.
 
Old 05-26-2004, 06:21 AM   #4
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Quote:
Originally posted by herbc
Xandros is a Debian-based distro with CrossoverOffice and several proprietary extensions.
You are paying for their binary distribution + CrossoverOffice + the extensions. You are
buying a rock-solid Linux distro capable of running MS Windows (tm) programs almost
seamlessly. In effect, you are buying a better Windows than MS Windows.
I have Crossover office and it comes far short of "running MS Windows (tm) programs almost seamlessly". Does Xandros come with other proprietary software that makes running windows applications possible? It sounds to me a lot like Lindows original claim that it could run Windows applications with no problem.
 
Old 05-26-2004, 10:25 AM   #5
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I don't know, having never used Xandros. I apologize for going overboard and amplifying the claims on their homepage. It still remains that Xandros has the right to charge for their distribution without providing iso's, as does every other distribution, though most don't.

Personally, I purchase my distributions from the maintainer ( bypassing Cheapbytes, even), just to support the community. Programmers do eat, as do their families. It also allows me to say, with a straight face, that I don't use free software because it's cheap, I use it because it's better.

<flamebait>Having started with Slackware in 1995 and recently returning with Slackware 9.1, my search for the
perfect distribution is over.</flamebait>
 
Old 05-26-2004, 03:04 PM   #6
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Don' get me wrong, I don't mind paying for a distrobution. I agree with you that we must help support these Linux companies. I was just wondering why Xandros did not have a downlaodable iso image and you've answered that for me. Thank you.

P.S. <flamebait>Ever find Gentoo on you search?</flamebait>
 
Old 05-26-2004, 07:25 PM   #7
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That I did. Agonized for a week before deciding on Slackware over Gentoo. I've gone cuckoo over my Slackware.
 
Old 05-27-2004, 01:31 AM   #8
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<flamebait> Not interested myself in the long installation process of Gentoo, and how much benefit can you get from compiling everything and not just the kernel? Gotta go with slack </flamebait>
 
Old 05-30-2004, 05:43 PM   #9
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Curious as to if you made the Zandros move, and whether you like it or not?

Thanks,

op.
 
Old 06-01-2004, 06:23 AM   #10
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Question xandros

I'm a newbie to Linux and this site really. I'm currently using Xandros 2.0 deluxe. This was purchased in New Zealand.

As a newbie whos dabbled a little with Man 9.0 and Knoppix 3.3, I found it easy to install and get online. Not all the internal games work and i've yet to get it to run any MS software seemlessly. Unreal runs really badly in 512X384 res. Mozilla mail likes to shut itself down whenever it feels the urge, as does Xandros occasionally. Sometimes when it boots up, the desktop icons are missing.

I have been onto the Xandros network (online Xandros HQ) and downloaded the latest of everything and emailed them with my problems (as deluxe supplies 30 days of support) however they have yet to answer my cries of help.

I wish I could help you a little more.

Cheers
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Old 06-01-2004, 12:02 PM   #11
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I have read all your posts with interest and glee, hehe, now for ease fo use and stability why not try SuSe linux? Free support for 90 days with the professional version and they do supply an ISO version for download from thier web site - y'know try before you buy best of all it like to play with any other version or file I can throw at it - I also like Madrake well I used to se it but after twiddling and well you destroying everything for an easy life I picked SuSe linux 9.0 pro - it updates automatically with my dsl connection its a no brainer! Have fun!
 
Old 06-04-2004, 01:20 PM   #12
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Quote:
Originally posted by Crashed_Again
I have Crossover office and it comes far short of "running MS Windows (tm) programs almost seamlessly". Does Xandros come with other proprietary software that makes running windows applications possible? It sounds to me a lot like Lindows original claim that it could run Windows applications with no problem.
Xandros makes no claim to run any Windows code. Even Microsoft doesn't guarantee that every product released as a Windows product will actually run on Windows.

Look at this quote from the Xandros site:

"the ability to run popular Windows productivity software, such as Microsoft Office, Windows plugin support to expand your Linux web browsing..."

That's marketspeak for "Crossover supports Office and several browser plugins".

I've given Xandros a workout. By and large, it is what is claims to be: A remarkably easy to install Linux targetting current Windows users. It provides enough handholding with things like Crossover to encourage migration to Linux without panic. Geeks and anyone who wants to get into the weeds won't like it, not the least because the available documentation really doesn't detail Xandros' changes to KDE, the Debian boot process, init system, etc.
 
Old 06-04-2004, 02:14 PM   #13
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Originally posted by techie_one
I have read all your posts with interest and glee, hehe, now for ease fo use and stability why not try SuSe linux? Free support for 90 days with the professional version and they do supply an ISO version for download from thier web site - y'know try before you buy best of all it like to play with any other version or file I can throw at it - I also like Madrake well I used to se it but after twiddling and well you destroying everything for an easy life I picked SuSe linux 9.0 pro - it updates automatically with my dsl connection its a no brainer! Have fun!
Suse only provide a LiveCD version of their products as a preview. As for their free version, that comes as a FTP install.
 
  


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