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Old 06-20-2002, 09:05 AM   #1
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why suse is not free?


hi all,

i might have chosen a wrong subject LooL .. nevermind

i was wondering .. why we cannot download suse 8 directly from the sight ... i mean like RH and other distros .. i got only one iso from them but didn't try it yet .. seems to be something like a demo version!

the question is why??

and .. is this thing .. i mean .. people couldn't get it for free .. is ILLEGAL to the GPL license?

hope u understand my Q

thanks all
 
Old 06-20-2002, 09:16 AM   #2
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you can download eveything from their ftp site, just not as an .iso. they are under no obligation to make it easy.
 
Old 06-20-2002, 09:24 AM   #3
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Whether they charge for a distro copy or make it difficult to download has nothing to do with the GPL !
 
Old 06-20-2002, 11:28 AM   #4
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I did an FTP install of SuSE 8.0.
It was quite free, but it took forever.
All in all, I prefer Mandrake and RH to it.
 
Old 06-20-2002, 11:44 AM   #5
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Re: why suse is not free?

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Originally posted by murshed
and .. is this thing .. i mean .. people couldn't get it for free .. is ILLEGAL to the GPL license?
Have you read the GPL ? Did you know I could turn around and make a distro based off SuSe, get rid of any propeitary software of theirs on it, sell it and not offer it for free, all I have to do though is ship it with the new modified source code. Most poeple aren't understanding the GPL, its free as in freedom ( your given the source code ), not free as in not paying for it.
 
Old 06-20-2002, 11:52 AM   #6
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and besides, as people have pointed out already, you can get the "live preview" as an iso (meaning it runs off the CD with no installing) or you can get the operating system via ftp (which is how open source operating systems started out being distributed anyway, seems quite true to the spirit of it all).

In addition to that thing of getting the SuSE distro and selling it, if you so chose, you could also buy the CDs and then put the OS up as free iso downloads on your site, could you not, and still be within the bounds of the GPL?
 
Old 06-20-2002, 12:10 PM   #7
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I don't know how the susedownload works.But it looks to me like downloading from ftp directly isn't too bad. You only download and install what you need.Looking at my debain i got now about 900 packages installed with - wild guess - around 10.000 available. Now why would i want to get a T1 line to download ISO's with 10.000 packages and burn the whole crab on cd's when i only use 900 ?
 
Old 06-20-2002, 01:33 PM   #8
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ok then .. why do other distro allow people to downlaod th iso's directly .. from html or ftp .. why did the ready made distro appear .. and now we see suse is taking them off and i beleive ( as i've read) that united linux will do the same ..

is it because they want the OS to be spreaded very fast and easy? or it is a part of the GPL? or what exactly ?

and how legal is when i lets say but the full suse and put it on a website for others to download it for free ( i mean free of charge!)

i know the word free is freedom not free of charge .. but i was confused when i first heard about the suse thing .. and at the same time i didn't know that the FULL source code is available for free

thanks all
 
Old 06-20-2002, 02:02 PM   #9
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I guess if you take the stuff that is for download at the susesite and let anybody download it you would be ok. If you grab the ISO's from the cd's and put them up you probably would get in trouble.
Since that came up before and nobody knew exactly what the deal is there i suggest you send an email to Suse and just ask them.
 
  


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