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Alexvader 12-14-2009 06:35 PM

Why do people get "tagged" by the distro that they use...?
Hi Forum,

Being rather ecletic relating to "the best distro" to do a job... used several already, from RHEL/Fedoras to Suses, Ubuntus/Debians, and now Slackware... I never understood something...

Why ppl get tagged because of using Distro X, and not Distro Y.... ?

For instance, among ppl that knows I use Slackware, I am "deemed" as an arrogant person, by those that do not know me that well... some colleagues of mine that use Ubuntu, are deemed as n00bs, ppl that use FreeBSD are deemed Ultimate Geeks... etc...

Why is that so....?

Arrogant... ? how come...? conservative, maybe, reliability-fundamendalist, sure... but... "arrogant" ...?

Don-t understand... don't know enough of Distro History.... can someone please explain...?



pixellany 12-14-2009 06:49 PM

I have had no such experience---anywhere.

To be sure, there are people who will react in some way to: your car, your clothes, your choice of wine----and on and on and on. There are many ways to react, but ignoring them is usually a good option.

I'll tell you why I don't like <<fill in the blank>>, but I won't criticize you for using it.

~sHyLoCk~ 12-14-2009 07:06 PM

People using a "way too User-friendly" distro has been referred to as n00bs by people using a "not so user-friendly" distro, who in turn have been labeled geeks. This has been the case for years now.

Alexvader 12-15-2009 09:30 AM

Hi Shylock

I agree with you, which takes this to another question...

Is Slackware an Unfriendly Distro...?

I mean... I had to install a software that called for a previous version of Python, all I had to do was Downgrade...

No harm came to my system...

Now, consider the consequences of doing this in Fedora, Debian, Mandriva, Ubuntu...

Simply would not be possible without a major hackery of the whole OS ( so deeply entanged are the dependencies )...

Is this "User unfriendliness", or Freedom and Power...?

The ability to have full control of something can hardly bee called "user-unfriendliness" although it can take much time to master, but , in the end, what does one want ?

To be taken in an airplane in a prespecified path, or to build its own airplane, and fly it the way one wants...?

"Is Freedom user-friendly ? "...



~sHyLoCk~ 12-16-2009 01:54 AM

You make a good point, unfortunately people are programmed to take for granted whatever they see and start to believe in that. We are gullible by default. Unless we probe further, dig a little deeper we can't distinguish between right or wrong. Same with Linux users. They believe in what you tell them. I have seen many ubuntu users who moved to Arch and went back to ubuntu forums and started criticizing ubuntu and filled threads with how Arch is better than ubuntu and how ubuntu is for n00bs. I'm pretty sure these same people when they move to Slackware or gentoo or FreeBSD, will say the same about Arch. So it's really a matter of fanboyism coupled with over-zealous attitude of some over-excited n00bs who just want to prove they are smarter than you for using distro X since it's difficult according to "common belief".
I have started using Linux with slackware. Then I moved to various other distros, but I always had slack installed somewhere even if I didn't use it much, because I was searching for a replacement I guess. The reason is the same, I am a member of many Linux forums and used to hang out in IRCs, slack was criticized by many for having no package manager, which is completely false, no dependency resolution, which despite being true hasn't really effected me much. I moved to Arch,gentoo,ubuntu,SuSE,etc. and came back to using slack. What I learnt was: "An empty vessel makes more noise." This was the case with more than half the so called "advanced linux users" of "power distros". While I respect other people's opinion, half of them are too blinded by their faith in whatever distro they use. No distro is perfect imo. Even Slack has flaws [here flaws mean as observed by a non-slacker] but we slacker love it, because we know, I am the boss of my system and not the other way round. I can control and configure it inside out and it will still work. As long as you know what you're doing , you're good t go. The funny thing about slack is that, nowhere you will find it's written "Slackware is for advanced users" but you will find this signature in many distros' homepage. If slackware is for n00bs, so be it. As long as I can use slackware, that's all that matters. If it's for geeks, oh well, can't complain. ;)


Alexvader 12-16-2009 07:46 AM

Hi Shylock

Guess u'r right...

I think that in nowadays culture, the "end consumer's" culture, ppl are just not ready to assume control of stuff...

-Freedom is not user friendly, because it means being free to decide, and therefore, being requested use Wisdom, and Power means Responsability.

Those two belong to the "Doer/Maker culture"

Ppl just got the bad habit of taking everything for granted :

The quality of the air they breathe, the purity of the water they drink, the reliability of the OS they use, or the car they drive, the quality of the Politicians that rule their Government...

ppl just do not care, and do not want to Know... is is just "uncool"...

...And then, when "S**t happens", ppl just complain about stuff that do not function as expected, instead of just getting to the point of why does it happen, and what can be done to make it be otherwise...

What else would explain that ppl keep paying for using Windows that is shipped in most of the PCs sold worldwide...? :(

Just see what is happening in the Coppenhagen summit... Shameful...

...Freedom and Power are Dangerous Stuff, are "Politically Incorrect"... :)



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