Wrong attitude? In your opinion maybe, but to me its totally justified.

I dont mind a distro making money, I've got nothing against Red Hat. But have a look at some of the things canonical has done, like spreading disinformation-

http://blog.canonical.com/?p=294

Chrome is NOT open soruce, by any measure. Its closed source.

IMO that blog post is in part because canonical wants to help out ChromeOS, which canonical did some work on for googel. But its also there to make canonical user contribution agreement seem less like what it is- a way for canonical to resell all code allowed into projects governed by the agreement as closed source, proprietary software (explicitly alowed by point 6 in the agreement).

The banshee/canonical fight over what happens to the amazon revenve stream, the nasty fights over gnome 3.X, and half a dozen other things that I cant even be bothered to list....

I dont think that canonical is to be trusted as far as you can throw throw the isle of man. Which is a tax haven, with typically low tax levels, far lower levels of corporate accountability than most non-tax haven countries, also the registered canonical base. If that doesnt give away that canonical more intrested in money than anything else, I dont know what does.

Yeah, things need resources, but there are lots of completely free long lasting projects that exist on minimal resources. There is no need to be doing things the way canonical does.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Well I decided to try the Ubuntu Unity release to see what I thought of it. I find it not obvious how to navigate with and do not see how it is any better than a normal desktop with icons along the left side as one can do in Gnome etc. So i switched it over to Gnome on bootup they currently allow that). On boot, my Debian uses about 300 meg, on boot Ubuntu uses over 800 meg. Now it is true that you can stop many of these services and startup programs, they put in so much stuff that it is hard to know what to get rid of.

Ubuntu got rid of Services choice under System, so I got rid of all I could using traditional UNIX commands etc and Apps startup programs. After loading browser and few apps, my Debian goes up to 500 MB, Ubuntu goes up to 1.2 GB with same mix, AFTER I got rid of what services/startups that I could quickly.

Of course Ubuntu has the newest releases/versions and Debian does not, or does it??? I upgradeD my Debian Stable to Kernel 2.6.38 with no problem in Debian. Updated Iceweasel (Firefox) to release 4.01), updated Claws email to 3.7.9, loaded latest ATI drivers, etc, etc, etc. So my Debian is really up to date of the items I most care about.

Oh and I also tried Debian Testing release, which has the latest versions/releases etc. It worked just fine and has kernel 2.6.38-8 etc. But guess I will stick to Stable anyway.

Also seems to me that my Debian is much more responsive than Ubuntu. Maybe because I can figure out how to eliminate built in delays in menus etc in Debian, and not Ubuntu. Also with Ubuntu the choices given to me in the menus (without me changing any) on System Tools, Preferences, and Administration are far greater in Debian out of the box than with Ubuntu out of the box.

Clearly we see the main emphasis in Ubuntu is to do everything for the ("dumb?") user (start all services etc), whereas Debian lets you do whatever you want.

Hey I see a few comments on Google and Chrome. I mentioned in the first post that I stopped using Chrome because it eats up to much memory and resources. It also often starts taking 200 to 300% CPU ( I have 6 on my AMD 1090). So in going with Debian I switched back to Iceweasel 4.0 (Firefox) which is working great, takes far less memory, does not hog my cpu's, and is just as responsive as Chrome. Has the added advantage is that now I can again use the various plugins I came to like that Chrome does not have.

And talking about Google..... Does anyone out there like the left tab stuff that they now put on a Google search??? I find it a waste of space, as is already listed on top of page. There was a plugin which got rid of it (igoogle) but Google broke that with some changes they made.

Has anyone found a better search engine that does not waste space and have so many ads? Of course I long ago started using Adblock which strangely enough IS AVAILABLE on Google Chrome. If not, here is a suggestion that works for me. Use the MOBILE version of Google
(google.com/m) which has none of the junk and works just fine on a computer even though is designed for a phone.

In summary, I want to thank Ubuntu for their inefficient Distro and coming up with Unity. It has spurred me into looking for something better, not just in the distro, but in some of the apps that I had just accepted and gotten used to. My computer is much better and faster and leaner now.

I am a part of the users who didn't like Unity in 11.04. So I started in "Classic" mode. I am a tester of the new release 11.10. I am testing the beta version the "Unity's way of doing it". I am still not very impress with Unity while the rest of Ubuntu is easy to use and perform very well. I am at ease with the terminal mode both I love a beautiful interface that simplify things, look great and easy for newbie's as well.

When the final release will be available late October (Oneiric Ocelot), I will have to make a decision about Unity. And I think that I will go Gnome-desktop-shell/Gnome 3 on 11.04 in dual-boot with Win 7 (for job purpose) on my laptop while on my PC, well, that's something else.

I have tried other OS for Linux (Fedora 15, openSUSE 11.04 and LinuxMint 10) and I will stick with my actual choice : Ubuntu

Agree more or less with lemelinm... I went back to Classic mode in 11.04 with my desktop but have been using Gnome 3 shell with 11.04 on my laptop (Dell 17-inch) and have grown to like it a lot. When 11.10 comes out I think I will probably go to Gnome 3 shell on the desktop, too. I like how fast and smooth it is and after a while on the laptop I got used to the way it works. A few things I'd change, sure, but then I expect it's going to get more and more customizable as time goes on, both from tweaks by the Gnome 3 developers and from tools others provide, like Gnome Tweak.

To those who are running Gnome-shell in 11.04 and intend to stay with Gnome-Shell may I suggest you give Debian a look when Gnome-Shell moves into Sid and Wheezy. It is currently in Experimental and is the desktop environment I use on my laptop.