Canonical/Ubuntu haters in the crowd will probably love this:

I subscribed to Canonical's http://www.canonical.com/support/ser...pport-features last year mainly to support Canonical/Ubuntu.

Part of this package is a great web interface for centrally managing your system's updates , much like Red Hat server's offerings. I liked this feature a lot.

The catch is that their web interface only was good for 1 instance of Ubuntu (for the Home support package); whereas I want to now manage 10 various installations around my home - old laptops and netbooks and such, a HTPC, workstation; nothing special.
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Looks like their small business package is 60.00 pounds / year (~$100) , good for 10 installations.
Ubuntu Advantage | Ubuntu Advantage Standard Desktop - RENEWAL
http://shop.canonical.com/product_in...roducts_id=683

I only want to use their central web interface, not all of their support. I need/should contact Canonical about this, I suppose, but I am not paying $100/year just for using their central management service (Landscape I think it is called)...

(hope this not to far off topic.)

Any ideas at what time official new version of Ubuntu today will be released?

11.04 is up and released now.

Aw..my bad. I'm used to check DW page for new release info and when i checked some time ago it wasn't there in news section. Forgot check Ubuntu homepage. Thanks.

Hah, I'd hardly call that 'bad'

No problem anyway

I appreciate all the great comments made by you folks, except Arcane who seems to think us users should not share our experiences, talk about a cry baby!!

Anyway I have had several more days with Debian and I am very happy with it. I saw where some people mentioned missing some Ubuntu apps, like ailerus, or tweak ubuntu. So I must tell you that they work just fine on Debian.

Also would like to mention that my Debian install seems to take much less memory than Ubuntu, don't know why.
I still have my Ubuntu machine (dual AMD 2.5GHZ's with 4GB RAM, 500GB HD) and my new machine with Debian (AMD 1090 6 processors 3.2GHZ with 16GB RAM, 2x2TB HD) so I can easily compare the two as both are running side by side. I have same services installed, and same startup apps, as much as I could. On boot Debian takes 373MG, Ubuntu over 600MB. But the biggest different is that after a while Ubuntu swells to over 1.2GB while the Debian only to over 600MB). One of the biggest reasons is Google Chrome on my Ubuntu machine which take SO MUCH MEMORY. If you add any plugins they just multiply for every page you have displayed. On Debian I just use Iceweasel 4.0 which seems faster than Chrome (of course machine is faster too). But I use preload which makes apps run faster the more you use them as it learns your habits.

Since i was first complaining about Unity forced on me by Ubuntu, of course on Linux you can choose your own WM, but this choice by Ubuntu made me re-evaluate my distro and WM. In going with Unity it shows you the direction that Ubuntu has chosen, which is to be more like Windows and attract Windows users, less like Unix. I like to be in control myself, thus my switch away from Ubuntu. And so far I am very happy with that choice.

Well sorry..i had bad day + you mentioned typical lines "why would anyone want use ubuntu..if its based on debian.." etc. Didn't meant to offend anyone just hate troll topics "My OS is superior! Ur sux! Because i said so!". Well for some people same question rises about same Debian and others. Experience topics don't consist of flame. They just share opinions about what they liked or didn't like or what worked what didn't. Some time ago i asked same question and guess what? Noone could explain with facts why ubuntu is unworthy linux. They just don't like it based on BIAS. Peace?
P.S.Please don't judge people by internet posts because it's wrong and you won't get far with it - thanks.

As somebody who has used virtually every version of windows (I missed either windows 1 or 2, cant recall which of them) I'd say that unity is not 'more like windows'.

IMO its far more like iOS, at least in appearance. Moving closer to apple is the way that canonical has been going for a while now, going back at least to moving the windows buttons to the left.

Hey Arcane, Thanks for response. You are right. I always like Ubuntu, and still do. What I do not like is their trying to force people to Unity. But yes Gnome and other WMs are in 11.04, so in the end it is we uses who decide which to use. I do not understand why they did not just have another distro like Kbuntu (KDE), or Ubuntu (GNOME). Maybe because Unity started with letter "U". Of course they could have called it Unbuntu, but the "Un" seems kind of negative, or maybe had a different name for Unity, line Winity (HAHA), then they would have had Winbuntu.

What I was wondering though is why did Ubuntu even come into existence. Not that it is bad, it is great, but so is Debian, and now I see no advantage in choosing Ubuntu over Debian. The Gnome desktops are identical, both use apt and Synaptic. I don't know maybe at the time Ubuntu first came out Debian looked different, or Ubuntu had more drivers (don't know). I am not complaining about Ubuntu, but just wondering what is so different. I think it is the updates. Debian stays farther behind and does not put latest versions in their stable version. But I must tell you that it is easy to upgrade to newer releases, like I updated to Iceweasel (Firefox) 4.0, not in Debian stable.

Good point cascade9. And if you adopt Mac4Lin theme all the windows in Ubuntu or Debian also look like Apple. But remember that Apple OS IS Unix and started out as copy of either BSD or Linux, don't remember which.

There was talk of making 'gubuntu' (gnome ubuntu) when unity becomes the defualt choice, and/or when canonical drops gnome 2.X.

Canonical wont make unity unbuntu, not because of the 'un' naming, but more because they have always pushed ubuntu as the 'core' version. Kubuntu, xubuntu etc. were always seen by canonical as derivatives, not just a different DE choice.

Like I've said above, IMO its about making money and control. Some people like to say that its about 'bringing linux to the masses', but thats...well...fanboism, and forgetting that Shuttleworth has never hidden that he wants to make money from canonical.

There is the classic old joke 'Ubuntu is an ancient african word, meaning "I can't install debian" (sometimes seen as "I cant configure debian"). When ubuntu was released, ubuntu was a bit easier to install, and had (sometimes) less configuration needed.

Joking about "cant install debian" aside, a lot of what made ubutnu more attractive is jockey-gtk. Its easier to install proprietary drivers fom jockey-gtk than it is to do it from a command line. I know of several people who used ubuntu because they couldnt figure out, or be bothered to figure out how to install the nvidia drivers.

Ubuntu did look a bit different to debian. The layout, like now, was pretty mcuh the same, but there was the brown (yuck!) and 'racy' wallpaper. (Though to be honest I'm not sure if that was there on initial release of ubuntu, but it was there in the early days. Probably more of a media stunt than anything else).

Debian stable is behind ubuntu. But that is mostly because of differing release times. Debian used to be 'when its ready', its now moving to timed freezes, ubuntu has always had 6 month timed releases.

Debian freezes can last longer than the ubuntu cycle, so when you have ubuntu basing a version of debian sid/unstable, adn debian doing a 6 month+ long freeze on testing, of course debian will be 'behind' ubuntu.

BTW, ubuntu LTS versions (10.04, 8.04, 6.06, etc) can be based on sid/unstable or 'testing'. The non-LTS versions are based on sid/unstable.

Apple OSX is NOT unix. Unix-like, yeah, bu not actually unix. OXS is based on nextstpe and the mach kernel, with a fair bit of BSD code included.

I've never heard of jockey-gtk. What is it?

What does "racy" mean?

Jockey-gtk is the real name of Ubuntu's driver install application. Nowadays there is also a text-based version, jockey-text.

Driver installation/management tool. Even ubuntu tends to not use the term "jokcey-gtk", even in the documentation, normally its just refered to by location in the menu (System->Administration->Hardware Drivers)

Er...sorry abotu that, I shouldnt use words that arent commonly used.

In this case I meant "sexually titillating, suggestive, slightly indecent, risqué". There was a few semi-nude and nude shots of people.Nothing really pornographic, but probably not safe for some workplaces.

You can see some of the sort of wallpapers I mean here-

http://hacktolive.org/wiki/Ubuntu_calendar

Forcing to use Unity? Wrong. Forcing is pointing gun to your face or threatening your family(and pets). They just set default to Unity they don't remove option install Gnome or other. And if they do..can always pick other distro or dual-boot something else alongside from plenty. Btw same can be said about other distros who come by default only with 1 environment.
This is another wrong attitude..Ubuntu is free, using it is free, getting updates is free - everything is free. And people have to understand - anything need resources. Who cares if nice distro is made by company who makes money? At least they have resources to make stuff work. Sorry you won't find any completely free long lasting project not depending on resources. Not possible - people need resources, technology needs aswell and resources need money..most of nice distributions ended life just because they lost resource support. Long story short - Windows would also be great IF it was available as free version without price tag because MS has money to get resources work for people.