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Old 06-28-2014, 12:54 PM   #16
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Slackware looks laborous to try out. I guess there is no live CD?
What are the root and boot disks? Kernel and initrd?
Sorry, I'm obviously getting blind: Installer and installee.

The "Install help" just seems weird against the "Get Slack" on the Slackware page.
 
Old 06-28-2014, 01:18 PM   #17
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You don't need a root or boot disk, that info is outdated. Just download the 32 bit DVD, burn it and use it to install Slackware.
 
Old 06-28-2014, 01:27 PM   #18
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TobiSGD beat me to it once more, but specifically...

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From the Install Help page:

0. Checking System Requirements - pretty much done in this thread...

1. Obtaining The Software Sets - Just grab the install DVD

2. Selecting A Boot Disk - ... the install DVD you just grabbed...

3. Selecting A Root Disk - ... install DVD provides this again...

4. Partitioning Your Hard Disk - This is where you start...
Before running the setup program you need to define the Linux partition(s) on your hard disk.

This is one of the main differences in Slackware and other distros, Slackware does not provide for interactive partitioning duriing install, so it must be done before you start setup.

If you are not familiar enough with fdisk, cfdisk or other provided partitioning tool, I recomment getting the Gparted live CD. It makes partition management super easy and is also a handy recovery disc to keep around!

5. The Setup Program
The last step is running the setup program and completing all the steps within it. The program is menu-driven and easy to understand.

Just select the Full Install and you resolve 99% of future depndency issues.

It will give you opportunity to set up your network and a few other things during installation (you may also defer until afterward if you wish).
Then reboot at the prompt!

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Old 06-28-2014, 03:47 PM   #19
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I use Salix (Slackware with added user-friendliness!) on my Thinkpad X31 (also Pentium M) and it works well. When I bought it secondhand, I tried CentOS, but it was a bit slow. One of the things Salix adds is dependency resolution and the package tool, slapt-get, is modeled on apt-get.

Incidentally, you may find this site useful:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
I'm in the middle of burning Salix-CD for trying out.

I'm also in the think wiki as "turboscrew" already.
 
Old 06-28-2014, 05:58 PM   #20
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Am I seeing things...
I tried zegeniestudios distro selector and got:
1) Fedora - 100% match
2) OpenSUSE - 100% match
3) PCLinuxOS - 95% match: Your computer may be too slow
4) Debian - 95% match: Your computer may be too slow

I've been in the belief that Fedora is not very light distro?
 
Old 06-28-2014, 06:31 PM   #21
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Not knowing what criteria you entered or the zegeniestudios selection algorithm, it is not possible for anyone else to relate the meaning of "light" to the results.

But I would certainly not consider Fedora to be a light distro.
 
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Where can I find Salix Live 32-bit image?
Only via torrent?
I found one, but it didn't boot: "prefix not set".
Everywhere else I only find Salix Live ISO image (different releases), but no indication if it's x86 or x86_64.

I also saw somewhere that Slackware live CD exists. Just didn't find the image anywhere.

Also from Fedora I found "Fedora-Live-Desktop_i686-20-1.iso"
Couldn't select DE and the only i686 live image I could download, didn't have any indication about DE.

Is this some new fad?
"Here is a live CD image ... just kidding!"
 
Old 06-28-2014, 07:03 PM   #23
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Not knowing what criteria you entered or the zegeniestudios selection algorithm, it is not possible for anyone else to relate the meaning of "light" to the results.

But I would certainly not consider Fedora to be a light distro.
The point is: Fedora was OK, but for Debian a machine could be too slow?
I would have thought the other way around.
 
Old 06-28-2014, 07:11 PM   #24
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Where can I find Salix Live 32-bit image?
Only via torrent?
I found one, but it didn't boot: "prefix not set".
Everywhere else I only find Salix Live ISO image (different releases), but no indication if it's x86 or x86_64.

I also saw somewhere that Slackware live CD exists. Just didn't find the image anywhere.

Also from Fedora I found "Fedora-Live-Desktop_i686-20-1.iso"
Couldn't select DE and the only i686 live image I could download, didn't have any indication about DE.

Is this some new fad?
"Here is a live CD image ... just kidding!"
I don't know anything useful about Salix, a quick search turned up a few Salix live discs but they were all from third-parties and looked older to me.

There have been discussions on Slackware live disc/usb from time to time, here is a recent one with a few links and a lot of info.

Unless you really want to preserve the hard disk in that laptop, I'd suggest just installing instead of a live disc - you can always wipe it and start over with another one (and a few installs may be a valuable refresher course anyway!). I think one reason for the move away from live discs is just the size of the base system vs installed RAM and the speed of running everything from a slow drive... often not impressive.
 
Old 06-28-2014, 07:13 PM   #25
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The point is: Fedora was OK, but for Debian a machine could be too slow?
I would have thought the other way around.
AH! I see now what you meant... maybe ask zegeniestudios what their results are based on... who knows?! I never take those things very seriously any way.

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Old 06-29-2014, 12:49 PM   #26
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Should slackware accept "forcepae" boot parameter?
To me it complains about pae not supported.
(Most Pentium M processors support PAE, but not the pae-flag.)

I tried OpenSUSE, and that's the last distro I'd use.
Heavy as H***. Live-DVD booting took more than 20 minutes.

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Old 06-29-2014, 01:23 PM   #27
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My T23 with 1.2 GHZ and 1 gig of ram is the testing laptop for AntiX team. It runs just fine and fast on it.
No special tweaking required. No hoop jumping. I test new scripts for the developers. I have not broke my install yet.
 
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I think that if you use the huge.s kernel instead of the huge-smp.s, it avoids the problem during install.

Then After install (i.e. booting) I don't think it is a problem unless you have more than 4GB of RAM.

My Pentium M has the pae flag so I have never run into that particular speed bump**, although I have seen a number of posts here on the subject.

After install, the current kernel should accept the forcepae option at boot if needed (it is a kernel param, not distro specific). I think that you might bump into it again with VMs, here is a post about that which might be helpful in general.

I haven't used OpenSUSE but agree about live DVDs generally... very slow performance, but not always indicative of the installed versions - one reason I generally avoid them as demos.

(** I have installed to other older machines without PAE and simply use the huge.s, i.e. non-smp kernels. Otherwise they are the same)

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Old 06-29-2014, 01:32 PM   #29
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My T23 with 1.2 GHZ and 1 gig of ram is the testing laptop for AntiX team. It runs just fine and fast on it.
No special tweaking required. No hoop jumping. I test new scripts for the developers. I have not broke my install yet.
Tried it and it runs fine, and so does Vector.
I just wanted to try Slackware first time in my life (Used Linux since about 1995).
Some frigging guys sold me Slackware here. ;-)

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Old 06-29-2014, 01:51 PM   #30
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I think that if you use the huge.s kernel instead of the huge-smp.s, it avoids the problem during install.
Thanks, it worked. Funny that in the "F2-list" it wasn't shown.
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Then After install (i.e. booting) I don't think it is a problem unless you have more than 4GB of RAM.

My Pentium M has the pae flag so I have never run into that particular speed bump**, although I have seen a number of posts here on the subject.
Mine doesn't, even if it's Dothan (6,13,6), Also Mint 17 works with 'forcepae'.
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After install, the current kernel should accept the forcepae option at boot if needed (it is a kernel param, not distro specific). I think that you might bump into it again with VMs, here is a post about that which might be helpful in general.

I haven't used OpenSUSE but agree about live DVDs generally... very slow performance, but not always indicative of the installed versions - one reason I generally avoid them as demos.
Mint 17 Cinnamon wasn't nearly that heavy - X just didn't work right.
And THAT OpenSUSE the zegeniestudios suggested with the warning that for Debian the machine might be too slow!
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(** I have installed to other older machines without PAE and simply use the huge.s, i.e. non-smp kernels. Otherwise they are the same)

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