it uses systemd >>> :emoPUKE:

Because Antergos is just an installer for Arch to make it faster to install. Arch itself defaults to systemd, so therefore so does Antergos.

SystemD, while there are definitely issues, has won the init war. While there will be holdouts, it gets harder and harder to avoid it every day. Simply put, almost every company that actually has engineers working on linux and thus are the major developers of various gnu/linux products has decided to go with SystemD, so while I find there's a lot of things wrong with SystemD, I'm unwilling to limit my usage to systemD-free distros (which leaves basically antix and Slackware, devuan isn't yet considered release-worthy), or do the work to remove SystemD from what I do use.

Put your "comments" on systemd here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04..._reaches_beta/
or there please!

^Sorry, just a rant.^

I'm literally a newborn to this systemd and non-systemd discussion, can anyone give a set of pros and cons to help me out here join in !!!!!
@jamison2000e
@Timothy Miller
@un1x

Anyone !!!!!!!!!

I'm DRASTICALLY dumbing this down, but there's literally DOZENS of threads about systemD on these boards, so if you want any in depth information, look up any of those.

Pro's of SystemD
All "Enterprise" Linux run it, so if you want to get a job being a linux sysadmin for a major company, you're probably going to need it.
Bit faster than SysV Init at booting

Con's
Logging is stored in binary, so if there's an issue, you can't just boot from a USB and open in a text editor to see what went wrong (this is my biggest gripe against it)
Doesn't follor the Unix philosophy (do 1 thing and do it well). SystemD basically takes over not just booting, but managment of many services and programs also.

In the end, the systemd debate is sure to spark quite a bit of vitriol on both sides (which we cannot have in threads, the mods got tired of threads degrading into SystemD mud slinging so will close any thread that starts to degrade to that). While I technically prefer SysV init, I'm willing to accept that as a linux sysadmin for a company who uses Red Hat products, I need to deal with my dislike and accept it, which I have. I even run it on all my home systems, and THUS FAR, have nothing in "real world" cases to say against it, it's worked very well for me, and it is a little quicker at booting.

The most of them debating it are not developers, the ones who decided to GO with systemD! Computers are faster nowadays so need to be smarter &c.

For the ones debating, it's mostly a philosophy thing like the wind or opinions...

What do you prefer ??

If I ran a CLI server I may care more? I do not how ever dig init much (as a pun to dig into init much. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Init)

I run a lap\desktop and prefer what my favorite distros give me... my T20 (which is a correction to post #23 where I accidently put T420 (because I'm posting from one right now)) CLI only runs with systemD well too.

I will say if I ran a desktop or WM on that old T20, then I may look init more?

@jamison20000e , @Timothy Miller

Can you tell me how I can experience the change of a systemd present/absent performance/working comparison in Oses, I highly doubt just using them will show any difference, but a guess is perform some specific task to check; if you please shed some light !!!!

@jamison20000e , @Timothy Miller

Can you tell me how I can experience the change of a systemd present/absent performance/working comparison in Oses, I highly doubt just using them will show any difference, but a guess is perform some specific task to check; if you please shed some light !!!!

Install virtualbox on whatever you like, create 2 instances. On 1 install basic Debian (systemd) and the other Slackware (sysV init). Learn how to work on, manage, modify the init of both, and that's better than any reading of any article we could point you to.

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Good idea but I don't see how Debian compared to Slackware will work to compare?

A basic Debian install vers a Debian derivative (eg Devuan) without systemD or even better, instal Debian twice and remove it from one (eg http://without-systemd.org/wiki/inde...d_installation)

I don't think you can compare with or without systemD in Slackware? Maybe close: https://github.com/Dlackware/systemd

NOT that you should not learn to love Slackware, you will!

Ie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apples_and_oranges