heh, no a man named chris pirrillo took or call for help, and he's an even bigger fairy. i hope you realize that pat and leo don't know crap! everything they do know, they just read about right before the show, or they get feed to them through their ear pieces. you can tell because when they get caught off guard with something they didn't expect, they always say the wrong thing or give bad advice. and leo's such a melvin. what a couple of maroons!

Hey, but they represent geeks! And just because they can't bust something off the top of their heads doesn't mean lack of knowledge, it means that can't work well on TV. Any one of us could probably answer most of the questions on "who wants to be a millionaire" but put a large percent of us on the show, and the majority of people would fold on a question that a baby could have answered. Lights, camera, action really puts some pressure on someone, and to further that, you have geeks ripping you apart.

But they try, and usually do a decent a job with the show. The only time I get real pissed is when they bring a so called "Linux geek" on the show, and he talks about his favorite movie player, xine! Any true "Linux geek" would answer quickly with Mplayer beats xine hands down. That's not to say that average to mid users wouldn't like xine, but a "Linux geek's" favorite would be the one that is command line driven, more powerful, and can fool most avg winbloze users

Also, when this so called "Linux geek" was on, he was talking about DVD players as well. He was talking up Ogle quite a bit, and when questioned on mplayer, he folded. That was the only time I was really pissed with an episode. No big deal though, I am sure the guy was trying to plug as many points against the other "unmentioned" os. I bet the poor guy probably writes code and can use mplayer with two hands tied behind his back, but the way they made this guy out to be such a geek, I expected some binary talk or something

Anyway, all in all, the screensavers are the best representatives of Linux geeks/computer geeks in general on general TV right now. This would exclude anyone's local access/public programming alternatives.

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oh come on, they've been doing it for years. it's not like they are in a hot seat, and are so nervous they can't think straight. this is their job!
i agree, mplayer is the greatest video player of all time!
i think i know the geek your talking about. is he the one that looks almost exactly like the comic book shop guy on the Simpsons?
well, i don't disagee with saying that they are the best geeks on tv, because, being the only ones, they would have to be... what other "geek" representation is there on television? series? movies? news?
but you have to agree that they don't really know what they are talking about most of the time they are talking, just reading the teleprompter.

Sure, I'd agree that most of the time they don't. But that's not to say that off the air they couldn't go onto something like LQ and rattle of a bunch of great answers. I know pratically nothing compared to most of the dudes on here, and if I were asked a question about a computer, and didn't have the problem/situation staring me in the face, I would sound/look/act like a complete "green nugget" newbie. Some people are hands on geeks.

I am sure these guys have to have at least basic knowledge of a computer, pat has given his version of building a kernel, so he at least has gotten that far. Leo hosts/builds his own website, that's a decent feat for someone with little computer knowledge.

I think that doing a show on TV for a wide variety of people/audience members is completely different from plugging away on a terminal thousands of bytes of code. Even if you did it everyday, that doesn't mean that you don't reherse it over and over, and if anything strays from the rehersal that you don't get blindsided and act "funny".



Cool, the LEO and PAT debate!

aren't you listening to me? they are just a facade! pat's kernel? do you think he wrote that, or was talking off the top of his head? no way, his lackeys do it. leo's web site?? i DOUBT he actually maintains it, or even built it!

i agree, there is much rehearsal. they go over thefacts previously coallated for them by their underlings.

and leo never stops pluging his stupid book! that idiot has an ego the size of the grand canyon!

Ba ha ha ha, I can't really hear you that well through all the dial up squaks People, stop dialing up to your servers for a minute, I need to listen...

Sure I think he really wrote it. I don't think that either of them are Linus' right hand man, or give Bill tips on how to make NT more secure, but I do think that they have a tad bit more knowledge than your average user. I mean if you were going to pick 2 people to be a "host" on your show, you'd definitely pick someone a little more like Daisy Fuentes (who is the ONLY reason I watch AFHV ) or similar star. You wouldn't pick people like Leo and Pat. These guys obviously know a thing or 2, at the very least, from doing the show so long. I think they (at least Leo anyway) had to know something in the beginning, there weren't many people doing the show. It'd be like you and 2 of your buddies. That was it back in the day. Not like Leo had 15 d00ds off camera plugging in questions on www.google.com He had the help of at best, 3 other people.

Look on here, not every question gets answered, and not all questions are answered by the same person... why? Well many reasons, but I am sure 1 is because not everyone knows EVERY answer to EVERY question on here (well maybe trickykid, but that's another thread ). Those guys do the best they can I think, and that's not too bad.

I think Leo's site (if you wanna check it out) is www.leoville.com or maybe some other .net or something.

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Yep, www.leoville.com and also, to see that Leo is NOT a puppet:
http://www.leoville.com/bio.shtml

He has WRITTEN programs for Mac... blah blah that's as far as I got before coming back here to let you go read it.

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leo didn't even major in anything remotely close to anything about computers in college! chinese history? that means that he probably wasn't even interested in the until he became a broadcaster, and as soon as you get in the spotlight, there are minons to do your bidding, and google to help you search. i notice you didn't post anything about pat... did you look up information on him, and just figured that i was right?

ha ha ha, no I just don't know pat's homepage address. I guess I could do some digging tonight, and see what I can dig up on him. I seem to remember seeing an article about him going to a few geek colleges and things, but since I cannot produce a link right now, I won't say that's for sure. I will dig tonight and let you know.

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oh boy, i can't wait

Well I can't find any article saying much about they computer backgrounds, but here's a bio on Patrick Norton:
http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/d...551467,00.html

Dude's favorite site is slashdot, Before linux I didn't even know what slashdot was

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slashdot blows

But I doubt if you asked even your average winbloze geek what slashdot is, that they would know. A little more edge on Patrick being not a simple host with no real knowledge.