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Old 01-06-2016, 08:56 PM   #1
Thomas Groman
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Post Looking for a distro like Slackware but more aimed to a production server


I am looking for a Linux distribution that is as trimmed down and fast as Slackware is and trys to stay away from distribution specific files. I will use it as a community/internal services server. I would prefer it to have non-modified and as close to cutting edge packages like slackware. It has to have automatic dependency resolution unlike Slackware though. I would also prefer it to have no unnecessary packages or libs like x86 compatibility libs installed by default. It has to be compatible with the x86_64 architecture. I would prefer it to have a APT like package manager.
 
Old 01-07-2016, 06:22 AM   #2
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If you want package management and auto dependency installs, then you likle as not are going to end up with a load of stuff you don't need, the dependencies for a package are partly set by the needs of the actual package but optional dependencies ( which most packages have to some extent ) are set by the packager, and their dependencies are set by their packagers, so you have no real control over what gets installed, with somthing like Slackware/LFS although you may have to spend a bit more time tracking down deps at least you only instal what you need/require.

Anyway have a look at distrowatch.
 
Old 01-07-2016, 11:49 AM   #3
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What you need is Salix. That is simply Slackware with dependency checking. When a program is in the Slackware repository, the item in the Salix repository is just a metapackage that lists as dependencies the Slackware package and its dependencies and they are retrieved from Slackware. The package manager is slapt-get, which has the same syntax as apt-get and apt-cache. Salix also has some 600 extra programs of its own available. The installer enables you to do a CLI-only setup, or GUI but no software.

As for Keith's warning
1. Yes, you can get more than you bargained for, but it's rare: I've chiefly noticed it with OpenSUSE. Sometimes I think that most Slackers haven't used dependency resolution since the 1990s!
2. If you do, so what? How many of us have drives so small that a few extra libraries will fill them up?
 
Old 01-07-2016, 12:04 PM   #4
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It's not just the dependencies that get draged in ( mostly talking debian here as I have a number of debian based installed on VM for test purposes ), but if you then try and uninstall a package you can end up uninstalling stuff you don't want to, I remember some years ago installing Amarok on ubuntu, deciding I didn't like it and uninstalled it, didn't check what else was going to be removed and ended up with an unusable system, extreme case I know.
 
Old 01-08-2016, 02:13 AM   #5
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Old 01-08-2016, 11:06 AM   #6
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It's not just the dependencies that get draged in ( mostly talking debian here as I have a number of debian based installed on VM for test purposes ), but if you then try and uninstall a package you can end up uninstalling stuff you don't want to, I remember some years ago installing Amarok on ubuntu, deciding I didn't like it and uninstalled it, didn't check what else was going to be removed and ended up with an unusable system, extreme case I know.
That's a question of using the right parameters with the right tool. And as you said, you didn't check! You can hardly blame automatic dependency resolution for your own mistakes or lack of knowledge of the commands.

But more to the point, when the OP asks for a distro with dependency resolution, it's hardly a helpful reply to tell him he's wrong (like 99% of us).

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Old 01-08-2016, 11:27 AM   #7
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I never said he was wrong nor did I say it wasn't my fault, I was a newb at the time like everyone starts and it's an easy mistake to make, and I was pointing out some of the problems with auto dependency's ie that it's really upo to the packager as to what gets installed as a dependency, I have no axe to grind with package managers as I use my own one, WITH dependency tracking!
 
Old 01-08-2016, 11:34 AM   #8
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I am looking for a Linux distribution that is as trimmed down and fast as Slackware is and trys to stay away from distribution specific files. I will use it as a community/internal services server. I would prefer it to have non-modified and as close to cutting edge packages like slackware. It has to have automatic dependency resolution unlike Slackware though. I would also prefer it to have no unnecessary packages or libs like x86 compatibility libs installed by default. It has to be compatible with the x86_64 architecture. I would prefer it to have a APT like package manager.
Have a look at Frugalware. I haven't used it as server tough and it's a bit conservative concerning cutting edge packages but it has a bigger binary repository than Salix.

http://frugalware.org/

Just a hint: there are several third party package manager with dependency resolution for Slackware

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Old 01-09-2016, 11:28 AM   #9
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Have a look at Frugalware.
Have you ever had problems with that? I checked my notes and found I'd tried 6 versions over the years: 3 with bugs and 3 that never installed!
 
Old 01-09-2016, 11:55 PM   #10
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Have you ever had problems with that? I checked my notes and found I'd tried 6 versions over the years: 3 with bugs and 3 that never installed!
Once I installed Frugalware 1.9 on my dedicated partition for distro testing. The installer is awful and not comparable with Slackware and Salix but I didn't notice any bug in my short experience with Frugalware.
It might not be everyone cup of tea considering systemd but it follows same philosophy with respect to using less modified stable packages. Repository is not bad and I think pacman-g2 is capable package manager.
Anyway, I think in this case both Salix and Frugalware are not comparable with Slackware as Salix is completely geared toward desktop and Frugalware is not popular enough. I didn't understand why The OP avoid to use full Slackware installation. using third party tools Dependency resolution would not be a drawback anymore.

Sorry for my english.
 
Old 01-10-2016, 10:20 AM   #11
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Sorry for my english.
No apologies are needed: I never noticed you weren't a native speaker until you pointed it out!
 
Old 01-10-2016, 10:27 AM   #12
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I am looking for a Linux distribution that is as trimmed down and fast as Slackware is and trys to stay away from distribution specific files. I will use it as a community/internal services server. I would prefer it to have non-modified and as close to cutting edge packages like slackware. It has to have automatic dependency resolution unlike Slackware though. I would also prefer it to have no unnecessary packages or libs like x86 compatibility libs installed by default. It has to be compatible with the x86_64 architecture. I would prefer it to have a APT like package manager.
Honestly sounds like a job for gentoo...
 
Old 01-14-2016, 02:29 AM   #13
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Why not try ArchLinux and you can make a cluster of Docker Containers to handle server configuration
 
Old 01-14-2016, 02:42 AM   #14
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Why not try ArchLinux and you can make a cluster of Docker Containers to handle server configuration
...so when it implodes you can quite rightly claim a clusterf***!
 
Old 01-14-2016, 09:27 PM   #15
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I am looking for a Linux distribution that is as trimmed down and fast as Slackware is and trys to stay away from distribution specific files. I will use it as a community/internal services server. I would prefer it to have non-modified and as close to cutting edge packages like slackware. It has to have automatic dependency resolution unlike Slackware though. I would also prefer it to have no unnecessary packages or libs like x86 compatibility libs installed by default. It has to be compatible with the x86_64 architecture. I would prefer it to have a APT like package manager.
That pretty much describes the yocto project.
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/li...nux/index.html

Personally I have tried out two builds so far.
an "Internet Connectivity Appliance"
https://www.yoctoproject.org/blogs/j...vity-appliance
(and one with the Matchbox desktop.)
Other layers are available:
http://layers.openembedded.org/layer...master/layers/

It bootstraps a cross compiler, etc, and you can export the toolchain to the file system.
You can specify .deb, .rpm, or .opkg package management/root filesystem.

Another distro that fits this description is OpenWRT:
https://openwrt.org/
(which does have an x86 branch as well as others)

Depending on what kind of server I was wanting would determine which of the two I would go with...
 
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