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Old 04-26-2005, 09:37 AM   #16
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correct..
 
Old 04-26-2005, 03:35 PM   #17
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wow, so many replyes

i will begin with Gentoo and if i dont like it, i will then try Slackware and then Arch.

P.S.
Or if you want me to try something else first

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Old 04-26-2005, 04:52 PM   #18
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Ok good luck.

Cheers
 
Old 05-18-2005, 08:06 AM   #19
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I recently installed linux on an old laptop (an IBM thinkpad with approximately 133 Mhz CPU, and 32 Mb of Ram).
What finally worked for me in terms of a usable Graphical User Interface was as follows:

Slackware 10.1. (latest as of May 2005), with the 2.4.29 kernel.
I installed Xfce 4.2 but did not install either Gnome nor KDE.
Slackware's installer doesn't look very slick, but it is very logical, asked all the right questions and got the job done.
I had to tweak 'xorg.conf' in order to get the display to fill out the laptop screen.

While the system is not super-fast, I can use network/internet, Firefox, AbiWord, and a few other programs.
Perhaps a more minimalist window manager such as Fluxbox or IceWM would work even faster than Xfce 4.2

With the earlier Slackware 10.0 release, and trying various other distributions, I had too many problems, so perhaps it is a hit and miss affair when it comes to installing on older hardware.
 
Old 06-01-2005, 01:58 PM   #20
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Funny you mention that 133Mhz Thinkpad. I assume it's also a 760. Really a nice laptop with 1024x768 TFT and a still good working battery.

I also do have this one and I can't hear it anymore that people are telling me that 300-400Mhz is real slow.
Luckily I have 80MB RAM which eases a lot of things, I have decided to run gentoo on that machine. Yes I know "Compiling on 133MHz " but no, first I started of under vmware on my main 2200+ machine and copied it flatly over to the laptop, which really worked well and very fast, then later on as permanently copying the stuff became tiring I build up a nfs mount of the laptop on the desktop and chrooted into it (/tmp, /var/tmp ... were taken from the desktop for speedup). I can suggest this method as it's pretty good scriptable and afterward you can simply plug in your laptop and update all you want, plug it off and there you go. Only don't try building Gentoo on the machine alone I would estimate up to 2 weeks for a normal system on my laptop without any help, also distcc, as brilliant it is, doesn't help too much, you can easily build some smaller Packages but nothing big (glibc, gcc, X, kde, gtk, mozilla and especially OO.org )
But right now I'm also searching for an alternative as I also switched my Desktop to Arch for several reasons. Sadly the Thinkpad is indeed an I586 so Arch is a no-go, anyway I think you have convinced me to give slack a try.

Btw talking about slow machines, even on this really slow laptop I was able to run KDE-3.3 (IIRC) not at the speed of light but fairly workable, although I mainly work with fluxbox or xfce, just to give you an hint what you can expect from your machine.
 
Old 06-01-2005, 02:47 PM   #21
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Before people urge this person to use Slackware or Gentoo... uh, it seems to me the original post-er is somewhat of a Linux newbie (am I wrong?). Slackware or Gentoo may be too frustrating at first. How about Mepis or Ubuntu? These are very user-friendly and come with live CDs that can be tested out before installation (Mepis's CD is both a live CD and installer). Maybe after getting familiar with Linux, the OP can move on to the more hard-core distributions...
 
Old 06-01-2005, 03:25 PM   #22
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ugh.. yeah.. you can run KDE or GNOME on a 133 processor just as much as I can host a google mirror from my AthlonXP 2600+ desktop... it ain't gonna happen...

Slackware is a great newbie distro I think, as long as the person is interested in learning Linux... Gentoo is just frustrating all together... so i aggree with you on that...

But that's where you need to draw the limit... 'easy-to-use' distro's are generally much more bloated from the start and therefore, more difficult to get working with any sense of responsiveness...
 
Old 06-01-2005, 03:30 PM   #23
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Full ack @aysiu

As I already said I don't consider his computer at all as something "slow", so I also don't see any restriction on his choice of the Distribution (beside Gentoo maybe painful to compile and SuSE's yast seems to slowdown even really fast Computers)

I have never tried Ubuntu or Mepis (which is a pity) but they seem to be a wise choice for newbies, also the attempt of the original poster to try Gentoo may point out that he's really willing to learn some serious stuff and therefore Gentoo is indeed a good thing as is slackware (I assume). Anyway I thing he could take whatever he likes as his hardware doesn't prevent him even from SuSE (what I would call most bloated). So other criterias may be taken into account on this choice. As for speed (according to execution AND installing) Arch is still a good one, but also with the need of some knowledge. But as a starting point I would go with aysiu's suggestions.

As alway a brief look at distrowatch points out that it has become really hard to find "your" distribution.
 
Old 06-02-2005, 02:48 AM   #24
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Quote:
Originally posted by Wiebel Yes I know "Compiling on 133MHz " but no, first I started of under vmware on my main 2200+ machine and copied it flatly over to the laptop, which really worked well and very fast, then later on as permanently copying the stuff became tiring I build up a nfs mount of the laptop on the desktop and chrooted into it (/tmp, /var/tmp ... were taken from the desktop for speedup). I can suggest this method as it's pretty good scriptable and afterward you can simply plug in your laptop and update all you want, plug it off and there you go.
This I find very interesting, because I gave up compiling anything bigger than 2MB on my laptop. If you don't mind, I'd like to have some clarification:

1/ First method: would you please explain it further? I don't have vmware, but bochs, or the other open-source one (don't remember its name) should do the job.

2/ Second method: do you mean, that after chrooting to (eg: /var/laptop) the laptop's / dir on the main PC, you can run the laptop's OS and tools, with the processing power of the main PC?

Yves.
 
Old 06-02-2005, 03:12 AM   #25
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gentoo is i think the best to avoid your frustration, you might find your system not "usable"
 
Old 06-02-2005, 07:39 AM   #26
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Ok then I'll try my best.

I'm not sure if Bochs or anything other than vmware or UML (which would be a bit harder to set up) Is even worth trying as you do need every bit of speed. I would cal the latter method with nfs far superior and I don't think it's even needed to do anything else even initialy, but it was pretty straight forward I assigned a raw partition to vmware and simply made an gentoo install into it it should even be possible to make this directly without any "virtualizer" except that you can't use your machine for 1 or 2 days then.

Now to the nfs method:

You setup an NFSd on the laptop side an export your whole root (easiest with squash to root) you can do this with several boor disks, if you can boot from CD (for the thinkpad eg. with Smart Boot Manager) there are enough possibilities.
Then you mount this whole laptop eg. to /mnt/laptop/ after that you do things like that:
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mount -o bind /proc /mnt/laptop/proc
... unpack your stage to /mnt/laptop ...
mount -o bind /tmp /mnt/laptop/tmp
mount -o bind /var/tmp /mnt/laptop/var/tmp
mount -o bind /usr/portage /mnt/laptop/usr/portage
or something along that line. You might want only to mount /usr/gentoo/distfiles instead of the whole /usr/gentoo, to keep things in sync.
After that you should be able to chroot into /mnt/laptop, and go on with whatever you want to.

With those "bind"-mounts you prevent most of the network traffic and keep the compiling local and therefore fast, only the actual installation (after the compiles) are going over the net.

Well that's about it, I had to find those ways because on my specific thinkpad I wasn't even able to enable DMA for my hdd so a simple nfs mount would'nt have given me to much as the compiling uses the hdd very heavy, but this way it is nearly as fast as it is on the desktop itself.

I hope this helped, have fun.

[edit: I overread your 2nd question. A simple Yes should do ]

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Old 06-02-2005, 07:57 AM   #27
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I really suggest Slackware. Gentoo compile times on your machine would take forever.

Slackware has one of the smallest memory footprints of all Linux distributions, and it's pretty fast.

If you install Gentoo, please do a stage 3 install, not a stage 1.
 
Old 06-03-2005, 02:30 PM   #28
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I'd recommend Debian, Slackware or FreeBSD. I run Debian on a p1 166mhz 64mb ram. I use the system a lot for reading mails, browsing,.. It's very nice. I use Ion3 windowmanager and elinks,links2,dillo browsers and sylpheed,mutt mail. vim for editing, and so on. Have a look here to see how to set up debian on a slow pc : http://users.skynet.be/six/gpure/tech/linux/debian.html

There should be a sticky post in this forum with links to guides for setting up linux on slow computers, links to lightweight distro's. This question is asked so many times!
 
Old 06-03-2005, 04:10 PM   #29
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If u r gonna be running servers, try freebsd. If you want a desktop try slackware. This is just my opinion.
 
  


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