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Old 08-15-2005, 01:15 AM   #1
D.A
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Kanotix Grub boot question


Hi all ,

First , sorry about posting this question here and not on Kanotix forum , but the kanotix forum is so slow for me , and times out etc , this one works fine ( smile ) .

Being very new to Linux per-se , and doing a lot of reading , and also from this , reading myself into confusion some times as well .

My question is , when I boot into Kanotix I get two choices , standard kernal , or the kanotix kernal ( I think that is what you call it ) , what is the difference between the two , I have tried both , but for me I can not realy tell the difference , maybe because I realy do not know what I am doing or seeing .
Even when I do boot into the standard kernal and investigate some of the report files I notice that there are a lot of the Kanotix things loaded . So I am a little confused as to which one to use . I have mostly been going with the standard one , for no special reason , it is just first on the list .
Incidentaly I do not have any problems with Kanotix , it is working fine , I would just like to know which is the best to use .

I hope that you can understand what I meen here and if you could shed a little light on this for me , in simpler language ( smile ) .

Best regards

D.A
 
Old 08-15-2005, 03:12 AM   #2
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The kernel is a complex piece of programming that can be adapted to literally any setup you could put together. So imagine that you are going to make a live cd for me. That would be a challenge, but here is a twist for you - I am not going to tell you what type of computer I use or any of the add-ons that I have eg video card, cordless or standard keyboard etc.

Basically you would end up with a kernel similar to the Knoppix kernel. You will have a few things built into it, so it was stable, and the rest of the options would be modules which are only loaded if the need is there. So if I were to use a USB mouse, the USB module would be loaded because the kernel detects a USB device during the boot process.

Now lets say we have a few stats. (These are made up - so no need to verify any of these)

1) 80% of people own an Intel chip
2) Most people use a standard VGA chip
3) Most users operate a 2 buttton mouse with a wheel
4) 60% of people use there computers with a digital camera.

You could then compile a refined kernel that has a few more options built in like an i386 chip, VESA VGA driver, and mouse support using the PS/2 port and Mulitmedia Card support. We will call it a Standard kernel.

Get the picture?

When you pop your newbie status and try to compile a kernel for your setup [trust me........ the itch to do this is already on the way for you ] You will discover the real joy of linux. That is adaptability. The same piece of programming that you will use, I can use too. Just different options. Both of us would end up with optimised systems designed just for our machines. Neat Huh!!
 
Old 08-15-2005, 08:25 AM   #3
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Hi aikidoist72 ,

Thanks for the reply .

Yep , I understand what you say there . So I gather that you are saying that the Kanotix 2.6.11 kernal ( I think that is it ) has more optimization in it ? , so therefore it would be the better one to boot with then ?

As for me popping my newbie status and compiling my own Kernal , sorry , don't hold your breath for that event ( smile ) . I have so much on my plate now that it is falling off onto the floor , let alone the table , and the old hard drive in the old noggin is full and spins slowly these days .

Mostly all the research and effort is to find an alternative to a Windows system . Especialy when the new ' Windows ' comes out , and the things that M$ have planned for the General Public .

D.A
 
Old 08-15-2005, 06:27 PM   #4
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Hi D.A,

Hey I know what you mean!! At first it seems overwhelming, but like anything - it does take time to adapt. The big thing to remember is that your previous knowledge took a while to learn, so this is bound too as well.

Might I suggest a few things that will ease the transition. Hopefully this will save some heartache in the future.

First - Partitioning.
When you set up your hard drive always put aside 2 partitions. Home and Data. I will assume only one hard drive in this example. With Linux you can have 4 primary partitions. these are reserved as

hda1, hda2, hda3, hda4

If you decide to make some logical partitions (I think 32 is the limit) then you use one of the main partitions to create this. I suggest this setup and will explain why.

hda1 - boot partition. 50Mb - 100Mb should do. This is best left as primary formatted as Ext3 or Reiserfs.
hda2 - This is the partition to be used as logical partitions. hda2 will disappear and become hda5, hda6.......hdaX. Use this for /, /var, /usr etc....
hda3 - /home This stores your settings for linux programs. If you personalize anything, this is where it is stored along with your documents etc.
hda4 - /data This is the big one. As you gain knowledge and experience, you will one day change distro's. This partition is used for backing up your data, storing info you don't ever want to loose, and extra's like programs you have downloaded or compiled programs. If ever you make a Boo Boo then this partition will generally stop the need for finding the nearest brick wall and getting aquainted with it. If you ever re-install your distro, remember to back up what you need and not ever touch the partition hda4 during the process. So much easier to remember.

Second

If you use KDE then in the address bar of konqueror type '#' followed by whatever command you want to learn. This is the attractive way to view the 'man' pages that comes with Linux. A few to try are lspci, lsmod, df, ifconfig.

Third

Make sure you visit the web sites of other distro's. The different communities out there are varied and wide and full of knowledge. Bookmark LQ and visit when you can. Check out this website for updates and reviews of distro's.

http://distrowatch.hostcentral.net.au/

And...... find a linux friend PM me if you don't have one. I'll send you my email address.
Oh also check out the new TUX magazine. A good read!!
 
Old 08-15-2005, 11:54 PM   #5
D.A
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Hi aikidoist72 ,

Thanks for the reply . Where in the world did you get that name from ( smile ) , it's a curly one trying to type it in ( smile ) .

I mostly understand what you say here . I am using Kanotix/Debian , with my limited knowledge I find it quite good , and then running VWware in it with XP as a virtual machine . But I did go with the default setup , only two partitions , one for the OS and a swap . Only because I did not know what I was doing at the time . After doing a lot of reading etc , I now realise that what you say would be better , maybe I should wipe it all and start again .
The main reason for all of this is to try and side step from total dependence on M$ , especialy with the new Windows coming out next year and the plans M$/film industry/music industry and some others , have for the general public in the future , but that is another story in it's self . The two choices are Linux and Mac .

Mac , now , with the changes they are making , at this time that is , who knows if they will change direction again , could wind up being a contender against Windows in some or a lot of respects , depends on what they do , especialy now that they are ' opening ' up some what . For us , we are a very small computer business , two of our biggest clients and a couple of the others , at about the middle of next year have to do a total upgrade , hardware , OS and some programs , and most of their important programs will run on Mac , but not Linux , that is why I have an interest in Linux/VMware also . So then Mac is looking good to them at this time . So me having a big mouth , said , let me investigate Linux and see what is happening there .

Linux , first let me say that we are not looking for ' Free beer ' , although free beer is always nice ( smile ) . We are looking for a good stable OS first , which both Mac and Linux are , and quite frankly it is not too dificult to be more stable than Windows ' Patch work quilt ' kernal/OS . To give you an idea , I have been around since before Billy Goats even thought of Windows .
So I set out on this Linux adventure , we use Linux servers , but that does not mean that I know anything about it ( smile ) .
As you suggested , I have looked at quite a few of them , all the biggies and so on , and have settled on Kanotix/VMware . This all seems to please/work for me , but it is the learning curve for the staff that will be the problem , and us not having to be resident there to hold their hands , if you know what I mean .
So for me , it is find a good simple setup , with the least amount of re-traning required , lets face it , 99.9% of these people are flatout turning on the computer , just want to do their work . But first find a good setup .

Hope you follow that ramble , but that is where I am at , at this time .

Have a good one .

D.A
 
  


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