Is DEVUAN better than DEBIAN?
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I am using DEBIAN and DEVUAN since some time, mostly as testing and for comparison interest. http://devuan.org/ http://debian.org/ There are clearly some differences in terms of performances, services and use. Both distro can be compared. Hence, is DEVUAN better than DEBIAN? Which one is your favorite? Which one is more reliable? Pros and Cons. Looking forward to hearing you. +1 for DEVUAN! |
Devuan was created by people who loathe systemd, so I expect those who use it are driven more by principle than by a search for efficiency. It's similar to people using Trisquel or GnuSense. No one chooses those because they are more efficient or better performing. They choose them because they want 100% free software. One of the things I particularly like about Linux is that it caters to many different kinds of users with differing priorities.
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Two points to consider about any distro are the number of developers and the number of users. Debian has over a thousand developers and heaven knows how many users (it runs half the internet, for a start). Devuan is an adaptation of Debian made and used by a small community. If anything goes wrong it's more likely to happen and less likely to be spotted quickly in Devuan.
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Here a beautiful story: https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ ...However, for the most part, the core of the vision remains the same: a minimal, stable system which honors Debian history and embraces innovation while maintaining backwards compatibility and interoperability. Quote:
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devuan was announced? two years ago? or even longer?
Does that answer your question how reliable it is? I for one can't see a difference in performance. If i would want to use a distro based on debian, with debian-package-management, etc, but also would want to avoid systemd, i would prefer antiX. But to me it seems to make more sense to use a GNU/Linux distro not based on debian to avoid systemd. Or even one of the BSD operating systems. |
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AntiX really. Wouldn't you use Devuan instead? Which advantages have you found in favor of Antix? |
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been using devuan for something like aproaching 2 years.
i needed to focus on my health and calm down my intensive distro geeking, with elaborate multiboot explorations of gentoo, exherbo, guixsd, bedrock, void, parabola, dragora, slackware, and many more. so i chose to keep things simple with devuan. afaicr, it has been flawless, effortless, smooth, enjoyable, throughout. very happy. devuan may have the different name, but they're the real debian in my mind. debian are the splitters. years of debian use under my belt prior, both debian itself, and also many respins. i dont recall ever using systemd infested debiand. got enough experience n awareness to know to avoid systemd like the plague. devuan +1 edit: PS: this may be of vital interest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMvyOGawNwo "Devuan GNU+Linux presented at FSCONS 2016", providing some background. |
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i see now that this can also be read as 2 separate statements, which probably is what op meant. don't get me wrong, i'm not dissing devuan in any way. it's just really a very young project (although it does build on decades of experience), and a statement like "devuan is more stable than debian (stable)" isn't something you can just throw out there. |
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The lack of noise and announcements about this and that, all in the future, is a style i sure prefer. btw: I didn't say anything like "i would never ever use devuan". I said: "*if i would want to use a distro based on debian, then i would prefer antiX over devuan, but in general i don't think it makes much sense to stick to debian based distros, if one wants to avoid systemd in the long run". And if you see that devuan wasn't able to offer a release after more than 2 years, then it seems clear why i think so. |
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SystemV is really awesome. A good to have. SystemV deserves respect. It has something to do with KISS-concept, which is reliable. I still have 2 machines with SystemD, when something goes wrong, it is more difficult to fix with SystemD. Furthermore, considering bugs, well, the fork has some advantage and drawbacks. The Jessie Devuan has some little bugs, which are similar to the ones of Debian. Both are still unfixed, but it is likely that the Debian community will fix them faster than the Devuan community. It would interest me to know how big is the Devuan versus Debian community... Gentoo and Arch are also SystemD menaced. I think that CRUX has a good stategy in overall, looking a bit from outside what's going on today within Linux community. The Split of Debian never happen, which is meaningful, as follows: There is something going on since 2 years (see above communication/letter from users). People want to follow the modernism, which could sometimes not follow GNU, and some others want stability and original solid concept (KISS, GNU,..). Maybe there should be GNU LINUX/UNIX (Openbsd,Crux,...) and non-GNU-Linux/*NIX (maybe Ubuntu,...)? Since Linux community gets larger and larger, there should be some more categories. That's completely normal evolution. |
When using gentoo you can use systemd, but you can also use openrc, i would even assume that is rather what gentoo users do, from what i read.
It is even more easy to keep it out, compared to a binary distribution. funtoo even offered gnome without the need for systemd. |
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i now use Devuan, but its not so as showed, there's important differences: http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com/201...-guide-to.html
Debian its the mother of most famous distros, including Devuan! We must have in mind that Devuan goes to minimal things.. that can make unhappy for those that expect a more complete env.. due here we must build by own.. like some time ago... in olders Debian. Devuan project said its a separate distro, but still make proxy of the mayority Debian packages, 98% in fact (hey its not like Ubntu, that makes many ajust packages with extra features, here there no are new extra fearures packages). Devuan only refactor those that are systemd related.. Devuan except for systemd related, its just a Debian system without systemd. Devuan have a huge fault in documentation, Debian User documentation, almost mayor distros are based on.. any questions? but for Devun, are very fractured and inconsistent but with, All Debian non-systemd documentation are valid for Devuan due Devuan are a 90% track of Debian packages and system.. The Devuan Overall support are so focused on assume that users are experts, Debian ARE huge organized and working, but Devuan support are very weak and have lack of manpowers.. Devuan Jessie tracks Debian Jessie, ascii is tracking stretch, and ceres will always track sid. While stretch has reached stable, ascii still requires some work. Right now, debian buster is in testing and devuan beowulf, which will track buster, does not yet exist. * Main desktop : Gnome vs XFce The choice of Devuan was a perfect! due the Debian gnome are very limited in CD/Live * Init system : systemd(Debian) vs sys-v-init(Devuan) : here, you know what systemd are! a sh*t! * Support period : 5 years for both, but waith: Devuan support are behind Debian release cycle a couple of months! * Code names release : Based on toy story names VS Based on minor planets solar system ; Theres no unstable name as sid in Devuan. * technological modernity : mostly over 12 to 18 months vs 18+ months behind Debian ; Devuan are based on Debian work, so its more older respect fashion packages! * Architectures : 16 vs 3 or 4 ? ; Devuan seems only have IBM-pc and ARM based/compatible * Packages info site : packages.debian.org/ vs None . Quite strange that devuan does not have it… must use the console apt.. * Bug and reports : bugs.debian.org vs https://bugs.devuan.org/ ; Both uses reportbug system, same subsystem * Release pages : debian.org/releases/ vs none ; Devuan only have devuan.org/os/releases but does not give specific info * Projects and developing : alioth.debian.org/ vs git.devuan.org ; the devuan are a well knowed gitlab nterface.. * Package previews&reviews : mentors.debian.org vs git.devuan.org/devuan ; the Debian mentors are more easy... Flavor: oldstable stable testing unstable experimental Debian jessie Stretch buster sid experimental Devuan N/A jeesie ascii ceres N/A Winbuntu xenial yakketty zesty artful N/A Mint nadya Sarah sonya N/A N/A ORIGINAL INFO HERE: a complete overall comparision for users: http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com/201...-guide-to.html |
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