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Old 08-19-2021, 06:32 PM   #1
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great competitor from Debian, Devuan has a FANTASTIC derivative, Star


As already reported since a relatively long time here Devuan , in my eye the free debianlike system without Debian terror «you can only go this way!» has an really exquisite derivative,

Star

where the terminology "derivative" is not right, it is an user system encouraged by Devuan but not separate from it: Star has no own depository

(after working installation my depository in /etc/apt/sources.list is

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres main contrib non-free )

What is so fantastic, a real dream?

you are (about) completely free and can easily make simple or hard, minimal or fat!

I did find it a lot of time (as usual) following https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=star but did not really realize at that time the really important detail

Images to choose from:
...
32bit - ... , Cli

- small=fast download (360 Mb) few time later (only a few minutes download time)
- insert very old memory card with only 512 MB into the adaptor
- insert it into the computer connector
- unmount sdb1 (as thunar opens it automatic! not always really good...)
- gparted
-- new table
-- new partition fat16
-- set partition flag "boot"
- in console
dd if=~/Downloads/star-3.1.0-spock_2021.03-netinst-i686-.iso of=/dev/sdX

small iso = fast copy time :-)

cursor reappears a few minutes later

and you can reboot (let the adaptor insert in the connector)!

you will meet about the same start as it would be a classic Debian installation.

(few differences of course!)

You can use your language and your keyboard family to work secure and easily at installations time.

The main difference: you have finish after few minutes to install and the most time is install grub!

hm!

an error?

no, no error:

as usual after new minimal installation (it is an extremely minimal installation), I did insert my usual USB stick with a small ready to use system ( april64-7.0.1B-uefi.iso derivate from Puppy Linux branch Quirky = 127 MB for a live system with a lot of tools in 64 bit :-) !) an copy the new stuff just installed in the partition:

star did install 64 MB stuff and all seems to be ok.

as I was wishing to make an absolutely minimal installation, I did immediately inspect the /etc/apt directory for an eventually torso for the file apt.conf.

no it was not a torso! magic...

the apt.conf is prepared with following content:

Quote:
# APT:efault-Release "jessie";
APT::Install-Recommends "false";
APT::Install-Suggests "false";
APT::Get::Fix-Missing "true";
Acquire::Languages "none";
Acquire::Check-Valid-Until "false";
I did only add 3 details:

- in /etc/apt/sources.list an other source than the proposed «beowulf» as I prefer directly to try «ceres»

- in /etc/fstab my main partition

Code:
#
UUID=5685fe3d-d0c1-4edc-8c1e-2c1eb2xxxxxx /home/PIPAPO/my        ext4    defaults        0       2
(use you own uuid : you find it easily in gparted, last item in "Partitions") and I did

- create immediately the new subdir in my new ~/ (has to be for "ftp", you can chown immediately or later as you will see you have not the rights!) and continue with
- feed /etc/grub.d/40_custom (you can do it manually in the prepared /boot/grub/grub.cfg! this avoid to have no other entries if the new start has no success!) with all my entries for different Puupy's, android, ReactOS and SliTaz (thank you GNU for this grub bastard...)!

(grub is the only one deception concerning star: you would have prefered, Star would give the possibility to use/install a simple Grub2 as the maintenance CD of old NuTyx did do in the past! This means: only short entries exactly like in 40_custom also in the main part!)

After that reboot (without the pinned USB stick)!

Start perfectly!

- update and
- upgrade your new system.

If you do that with the usual command (I never use somewhat different as the "apt-get" or "apt" command, you will now get a list of packages being candidates for the installation, with the list of the not installed packages it would be also possible and recommanded to install with: you have the choice and can decide yourself!

Star make up the real master of you installation IMMEDIATELY...

The real installation begins if you answer Y (the default answer).

But I propose you not to do it. Answer N, 1 time "cursor up" and add to your command:
Code:
apt upgrade > iMyFirstupgrade
The system stops! It is the stop to answer Y or N. Repeat N!

2 times "cursor up" and this time Y (or enter, it's the same...)

THE REAL INSTALLATION OF THE BASE of star starts now at this point - You know what will be installed, how big will be the download, how much memory room will that in your partition will this take after that!

I find it GENIAL!

I did have no problem.

My system is now a ceres one!

So I did continue in the same kind.

Code:
apt install links2 didiwiki cups

apt install links2 didiwiki cups > iLinks2DidiwikiCups

apt install links2 didiwiki cups
(with those 3 packages you can read smart texts and print then out in pure commando line (cups works in CLI!!! and didiwiki gives you an extremly easy way for fat, italic and underlined writing! and using an other console, yes, you can interchange the CLI consoles, you can mark text in Links and port it in an other tab in Links! useful for texts like man pages, forum threads etc. if you meet difficulties!). test pls if the mouse works or install also gpm! check if you need somewhat from the proposed packages being not to be installed! You can with "cursor up" immediately repeat the action before you really start this step of installation (this will be the same each next step of installation!

next step (cursor up)

continue in same procedere:

Code:
apt install links2 didiwiki cups deborphan menu xorg jwm

apt install links2 didiwiki cups deborphan menu xorg jwm > iDeborphanMenuXorgJwm

apt install links2 didiwiki cups deborphan menu xorg jwm
(apt will of course only process the 3 new items!)

as I did do it, I know now. that the menu in JWM will be unexact, you have to rewrite the line in /etc/jwm/system.jwmrc for the console and write the right name you will find for the console in /usr/bin ;-).

and, now, you can go into X-window

with

Code:
xinit
(if success quit immediately with "exit" in the probably offered console; if main difficulties, change the commando line console and reboot the system with CTRL+ALT+DEL! And reboot and continue: you need xinit only at the first time!)

if no success enter now

Code:
startx
and I hope you will have, as I did immediately have, SUCCESS!

ENJOY YOUR NEW GRAPHIC MINIMAL SYSTEM!!!

(You can also try to install "ratpoison" before you try jwm! Ratpoison need after the package "menu" the package "9menu" to offer a menu to you! And look with attention at the right top corner of the screen ratpoison being starting: a few seconds you will see the help, after that not ;-) )

The next step will probably be a browser (midori ? midori works very well now). A forgotten editor for X window is preinstalled xedit ! Try it if you don't like nano (works in X) or VI ! idem for the calculator.

The Debian menu you will find is a kind of disease. If you will use it, you can add missing items eventually if you feed /usr/share/applications !

Or install xfce4-appfinder (of course, you also can immediately install xfce4 instead of jwm! But as old puppy user and fan from baslin [basic linux] I love JWM and it needs so few memory room!

did you already make attention that about no distribution understood that children need a music sheet editor being important for her education? one of the more small one is nted! install it please immediately together with mhwaveedit. in mtpaint, you can make screenshots and immediately crop and resize then really easily! for those app's look with attention for the proposed packages not being immediately installed with if you don't include then yourself: you learn so best the system of dependencies of linux making a pyramid of super tools permanently actualised for all applications having then in the dependencies!

ENJOY THE JOB OF OPTIMISE YOUR INSTALLATION STEP BY STEP!
 
Old 08-20-2021, 01:48 AM   #2
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FROM LOGIN AND BOOT WITHOUT SOME LOGIN:

I will report here later about my experience concerning above message - cli part

The most actual distributions seem to boot in Graphic mode. It is a concession to lock Windows users as M$ did abandon soon his initial DOS (since Windows NT! And the last Windows with Real Mode DOS, Windows ME did maintain only few contact with DOS).

Completely different is Linux. The commando line mode is always present and active else if it does not appear. One great distribution goes so far, that you always can enter directly from Xwindow into the commando line level with the key F2 and can adjust yourself the room that you offer both level on your screen!

To boot in Graphic mode, the distributions install a boot step more, the Display Manager. It host in this case the login process. You enter into a graphic frontend your username and password. Is that a real need?

No absolutely not! If you have no KDM or GDM or successors of them in the distro, it is possible to login perfectly in commando line level as Linux boots. You will meet this situation now, if you did restart after the first boot...

Is that bad?

Why would that be bad? It is exactly the same, but without eye candle!

More, the successors from KDM or GDM allow you to avoid to have to login: in most distribution, you can choice this in the settings. In this case the Display Manager is used to avoid to have to use it ;-)) !

Can I do the same in commando line mode?

Probably no or you have to change (yourseld) important details in your booting process...

Hm, this means, I can't boot fast in commando line?

If you boot without entering user name and password, you renounce yourself to have more security!

Do the same in commando line is easy: Use one unique and the same letter to login, as password and as link to invoque startx! I propose you "g", like "go", or "f" or "j" (both have a little point of the key and it is easy to fill that this is the right key...), about in the middle of the keyboard!

LINKS ARE WONDERFUL TO MAKE JOBS MORE EASY! HOW TO ADD A LINK?

No only the now proposed link to unify the username, login password and the used name for startx. You can create links for more: "web" for "firefox", "ed" for "nano" or "leafpad" or "mousepad", etc. ...

How to link startx with "f", for ex.?

Enter this code into the console:

Code:
sudo ln -s /usr/bin/startx /usr/bin/f
but the system will protest with energy: you are not yet registered as "sudoer"

/etc/sudoers, THE SUDO COMMAND, THE SU COMMAND TERMINATED WITH EXIT

to use the command "sudo" it is needing to register your username in the file /etc/sudoers !

to change and write a file outside your own /home (/home/my_username) you will normally enter following code:

Code:
sudo nano /etc/sudoers
but you can't yet do so:

Code:
su
- the system will as for your root login, enter it and continue:
Code:
nano /etc/sudoers
- nano will open with the text of the file in it
- you will find a line with following text:
Quote:
root ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
- write the same line but interchange "root" with you user name directly in a next new line! after that, if I assume you have selected "f" as user name, the new text for both line is:
Quote:
# User privilege specification
root ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
f ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
finish this little job having to be done once in each installation (if not automatically done by the installer) with

Code:
exit
Now you handle not any more as root and can continue.

USE THE KEY "cursor up" TO REWRITE REPETITIVE COMMANDO LINES WITHOUT HAVE TO REALLY HAVE SOME WRITTING WORK! (*1

The user privilege specification is now active and you can immediately continue you job and other job and create the link for "startx" using the line defined above. No, no, stop, not rewrite! To much work: use the key "cursor up" in the console, the precedent line will soon reappear again and you can use it!

MARK TEXT IN COMMANDO LINE (OR ALSO IN GRAPHIC MODE) AND COPY IT HAT THE WISHING PLACE HITTING ON THE MOUSE WHEEL

would also be a way to do about the same without to have really to write...

Linux in commando line is real pleasure!

~~~~

(*1 for Puppy Linux user: if you remaster you ISO think about those repetitive lines: typical is for example

Code:
setxkbmap us intl
and, a few characters later:

Code:
setxkbmap in
and, a few characters later:

Code:
setxkbmap in tam
because you are writing in 3 languages (an Occidental language with complexe chars with accents, can also be Chinese in pinyin romanised writing, Devanagari for Hindi or Sanskrit, and Tamil (in tam). easy also in the console using in "rolling usage" the "cursor up" key!

as those commando lines are registered in you ~/.history , if you remaster your Puppy with those 3 lines in ~/.history, you will never have to write then ;-) !

or analog the command:

Code:
alsamixer
(have to happen fast if the sound is terribly to loud!). If you meet often the situation, let that line as the last line in your .history file before you remaster!

Last edited by oui; 08-20-2021 at 08:49 AM.
 
Old 08-20-2021, 01:49 AM   #3
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I will report here later about my experience concerning above message - rat poison and processing of to do lists
 
Old 08-20-2021, 01:50 AM   #4
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I will report here later about my experience concerning above message - most important tools : xfce4 appfinder
 
Old 08-20-2021, 01:51 AM   #5
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I will report here later about my experience concerning above message - handle with xli, feh, and jwm itself ! the first tools to manage pictures
 
Old 08-20-2021, 01:53 AM   #6
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I will report here later about my experience concerning above message - seamonkey
 
Old 08-20-2021, 01:54 AM   #7
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I will report here later about my experience concerning above message - some other things (1)
 
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