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Old 12-04-2009, 06:17 PM   #1
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Hey guys,
I just recently got myself a patriot xporter xt 32gig usb drive.
Plan was to allocate about 20gb of it for Linux, around 5 for windows readyboost and the rest for just "space" (documents/videos).

My first question is this.. Does anyone know if readyboost will still work after I format a partition to ext2 or 3?
I would guess that when I boot it up in windows it would just find the 10ish gigs leftover in ntfs.
Is it even possible to making partitions on a usb drive? I'm not sure since this is my first real thumb drive lol.

For the distro, I want it to be as fully featured as possible since I have all that space.
I won't be putting videos on the linux casper-rw file so 20gb is really more than i'd ever need..
I have the latest ubuntu 9.10. So that's definitely a possibility.
Or maybe the new mint distro. Also considered Knoppix or the pendrivelinux 2009?
ANY recommendations are acceptable.
Thanks.

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Old 12-04-2009, 06:26 PM   #2
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whats up dude?

I would rather make it a "casper-rw" partition if feasable as a casper-rw file has size limits I think?

I would not install any distro in "full hd install" mode
as with a reg install to hd
it will run faster by keeping it frugal as with livecd,etc

why not go multidistro??
what all you wanna boot and how?
syslinux, grub, grub2?
 
Old 12-04-2009, 06:27 PM   #3
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My first question is this.. Does anyone know if readyboost will still work after I format a partition to ext2 or 3?
I would guess that when I boot it up in windows it would just find the 10ish gigs leftover in ntfs.
I don't use Windblows myself but I have expertise enough to say that it's quite a good assumption unless that system is crappier than before.

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Is it even possible to making partitions on a usb drive? I'm not sure since this is my first real thumb drive lol.
It is a drive, yes you can.

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For the distro, I want it to be as fully featured as possible since I have all that space.
You got the space but you'll miss the speed in a full-fledged distribution. Things like rescue disks and Puppy or Vector Linux could be OK...

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I won't be putting videos on the linux casper-rw file so 20gb is really more than i'd ever need. I have the latest ubuntu 9.10. So that's definitely a possibility.
Or maybe the new mint distro.
I don't think this is a good choice but you'll see when you try.

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Old 12-04-2009, 06:59 PM   #4
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Hey Linus thanks for the response.
Your right, the largest size for a casper-rw file is like 4 gigs.
Is there anyway i can go much bigger than that.

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why not go multidistro??
I was thinking about also installing backtrack to the same flashdrive. Not sure how.

The pendrive installers set it up to boot with syslinux.

@Code thanks for responding.
What's not a good choice?
Ubuntu/mint? Or the 20gigs.
If you mean the 20gigs then do you mean it's too much or too little?

Last edited by neuphoria; 12-04-2009 at 07:02 PM.
 
Old 12-04-2009, 07:13 PM   #5
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You probably wanna make a partition on usb labeled "casper-rw"
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD/Persistence

do you know how to use Gparted off a Linux livecd??

do you have a linux livecd and can boot from cd?

you wanna install backtrack 3 or 4?

so, so far
you want
maybe Ubuntu 9.10
and backtrack
and...?
 
Old 12-04-2009, 07:19 PM   #6
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@Code thanks for responding.
What's not a good choice?
Ubuntu/mint? Or the 20gigs.
If you mean the 20gigs then do you mean it's too much or too little?
  1. Installing a full fledged distro whatever it is in a USB drive should be avoided. Once again, speed is a problem with USBs.
  2. I don't consider them good distributions either, despite the whole newbie hype out there. But it is up to you as you are who will use them.
  3. 20 Gb are, of course, roomy enough. But keeping at least 3 different logical partitions: Swap is not an option in USB (i.e., slow as hell), boot should be separated anyway. Root and Home too. Separated Var is just for servers.

Id like you to tell me what you feel if you manage to successfully set-up what you want.
Theoretically, it will be (really) booting for about 2 to 4 minutes even with preload ...

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Old 12-04-2009, 11:11 PM   #7
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You probably wanna make a partition on usb labeled "casper-rw"
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD/Persistence

do you know how to use Gparted off a Linux livecd??
I have several livecd's and can very much use gparted.

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so, so far
you want
maybe Ubuntu 9.10
and backtrack
and...?
I suppose I hadn't really considered multiple distros.
So I'm not sure how to go about it..
I was hoping for some help choosing the distro/s that's why I posted it in this section.
I have considered many variations, such as OpenSuSE and Knoppix.

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1. Installing a full fledged distro whatever it is in a USB drive should be avoided. Once again, speed is a problem with USBs.
I know, it can also shorten the life. Luckily patriot has an awesome lifetime warranty
Really though I'm willing to look at alternatives.
I just need a helping hand.

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2. I don't consider them good distributions either, despite the whole newbie hype out there. But it is up to you as you are who will use them.
I've never been a huge fan either, but they're pretty simple and not bloated (especially mint). Again, i'm willing to look at alternatives, just propose other options.

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3. 20 Gb are, of course, roomy enough. But keeping at least 3 different logical partitions: Swap is not an option in USB (i.e., slow as hell), boot should be separated anyway. Root and Home too. Separated Var is just for servers.
That's fine as long as it doesn't get confusing with multi-distros.

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Id like you to tell me what you feel if you manage to successfully set-up what you want.
Theoretically, it will be (really) booting for about 2 to 4 minutes even with preload ...
The reason i'm doing all this on my flash drive is for portability (obviously), and I know boot time is gonna be bad but it's a decent tradeoff.
Once booted they generally run great.


I've been looking around, I think something like this would work.
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-ubu...tall-tutorial/
A second ext2/3 partition for saving changes?

Thanks for the help, just let me know what the best decision here is.
 
Old 12-05-2009, 06:25 AM   #8
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Couple things to consider too

Each distro usually has a specific way of saving changes
Ubuntu's, debians, and any that use a NAME-rw
are generally slow and write to usb alot...

Now, distros that "transparently" write to usb
meaning they are faster and write less it seems
KNOPPIX-6.2 with knoppix.img
Slax/MooLux,etc
Any Puppy

and a better way to make a "storage" file
holding all your non-distro stuff
like Music, videos, etc
can be put on a qemu-img of whatever size
and you can mount it, and even make a script-driven button on desktop
to mount/umount it and access it


And yes, as I said
if you wanna make a big persistence for ubuntu
you gotta make a 2nd partition on usb, etx3, labeled casper-rw
but it will still be slow compared to
the distros above
 
Old 12-06-2009, 01:33 AM   #9
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I've decided to drop ubuntu completely.

I'll be doing Knoppix for general use, Mint for the "nice" look, backtrack (once stable 4 comes out), and possibly DSL/Puppy (for speed).
Until Backtrack is updated i can use slax (i'd rather use slackware), just to try it out.

I've successfully gotten mint and knoppix running on the drive at the same time using unetbootin.
However, in knoppix when asked to create a persistent file i'd enter 80000MB and it would keep asking me on reboot. I tried 80000 without the MB as well, still no go.
Also mint would go up to the boot logo but then it would say it couldnt find the casper file.
Problem is i dont even want to use casper, rather a partition dedicated to persistence.

Help please.

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and a better way to make a "storage" file
holding all your non-distro stuff
like Music, videos, etc
can be put on a qemu-img of whatever size
and you can mount it, and even make a script-driven button on desktop
to mount/umount it and access it
I'd prefer for these things to be in there own partition, one that both windows and linux can read (FAT32)
Besides, qemu has weak 64-bit support. Considering my main pc has a x64 processor..

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Old 12-06-2009, 08:06 PM   #10
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I've decided to drop ubuntu completely.
Mint is Ubuntu anyway, that is why you have to keep fiddling with that silly casper-rw file.

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I'd prefer for these things to be in there own partition, one that both windows and linux can read (FAT32)
Besides, qemu has weak 64-bit support. Considering my main pc has a x64 processor..
It is up to you but FAT32 is the worse choice you can do for a FS right now. There are various FS formats (I dont recall them now) accessible by the semi-OS and Linux.

Google it. There is a Windows app which is able to read ext3 as far as I can recall.

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