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Old 07-18-2017, 11:55 PM   #46
darry1966
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jens View Post
Did you know Debian just released 9.x as their most stable distribution?
I don't use Debian because of Systemd and prefer a Sysvinit system and Devuan will contine supporting Jessie for quite awhile.
 
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Old 01-21-2018, 01:47 PM   #47
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Some time ago, I tried the systemd free version of AntiX.

One problem that I had was: whenever I wanted help, I kept running into sysd vs. non-sysd confusion.

If I tried to use google to find out how to do something with AntiX, I would usually get the sysd way.

For me, it became frustrating.

Just my $0.02.

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Old 01-21-2018, 01:49 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by walterbyrd View Post
Some time ago, tried the systemd free version of AntiX.

One problem that I had was: whenever I wanted help, I kept running into sysd vs. non-sysd confusion.

If I tried to use google to find out how to do something with AntiX, I would usually get the sysd way.

For me, it became frustrating.

Just my $0.02.
Did you seek help at the antiX forums?
 
Old 01-24-2018, 11:42 PM   #49
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And on a supposedly systemd free, Devuan system...

But that's beside the point. Devuan have simply avoided gnome, gdm and other software which will pull in systemd packages. That's not hard, plenty of systemd free distributions and Debian derivatives have achieved the same.

In fact I can install gnome 3.20.2 (which went into Debian unstable in March this year) in OpenBSD and no systemd to be found.

http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=artic...20140219085851
https://www.bsdfrog.org/tmp/undeadly-gnome.webm

There is also a list here: http://without-systemd.org/wiki/inde...t_installation

The vast majority of which have managed to recompile packages to remove dependencies on systemd and put out a working system.
And GNOME is very buggy without systemd as OpenBSD says. RTFM.
 
Old 01-24-2018, 11:46 PM   #50
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The fact of the matter is that Devuan works better than Debian, and also what most of the detractors say is utter bs. It is a fork. What do you call writing thousands of sysv scripts, compiling packages with your own options, and rewriting thousands of package files? A spin? Then you are an idiot. I have hated Debian for years and tried out Devuan on finicky hardware. It is what I liked about Debian before they went batty in the head. Finally, a fresh start to do Debian right.
 
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Old 02-19-2018, 08:15 AM   #51
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Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta

Dear dev1rs

On February 14th 2015, Devuan unveiled a "pre-alpha" Valentine release
of Devuan Jessie [1] just a few months after the Veteran Unix Admins
declared their intention to fork Debian on November 27th 2014 [2].
That was the beginning of our collective journey. Now, three years later,
Valentine's day has more love for the Devuan community. The long-awaited
release of Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta (minor planet nr. 3568) is here!

## So what's new in Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta?

- OpenRC is installable using the expert install path (thanks Maemo Leste!)
- eudev has replaced systemd-udev (thanks Gentoo!)
- elogind has been added as an alternative to consolekit (thanks Gentoo!)
- Desktop users can choose among fully functional XFCE (Default), KDE,
Cinnamon, LXQT, MATE, and LXDE desktops
- CLI-oriented users can select the "Console productivity" task that installs
a fully-featured set of console-based utils and tools.
- A .vdi disk image is now provided for use with VirtualBox.
- ARM board kernels have been updated to 4.14 and 4.15 for most boards.

## Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable is on the horizon

Although Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta has been powering thousands of servers and
desktops for the last two years and been extensively tested by the Devuan
community, it is being released as a beta because at Devuan we value
involvement and feedback. So we want even more extensive testing of
Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta to confirm "when it is ready" to be called a Stable
release.

Once Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable is released, our efforts will turn to Devuan 3.0
Beowulf (minor planet nr. 38086).

## Download Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta

**Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta at:**
http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_beta/

**Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta is available for amd64 and i386 in the following flavours:**
- installable live CD/DVD
- installation CD/DVD
- NETINST CDROM
- installable minimal live
- qcow/vagrant images

**ARM:**
https://files.devuan.org/devuan_asci...ded/README.txt

**Virtual machines:**
https://files.devuan.org/devuan_asci...ual/README.txt

## Upgrade to Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta

Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta provides safe upgrade paths from Devuan 1.0
Jessie, Debian 8.x Jessie, Debian 9.x Stretch. Just follow the
relevant instructions at:
https://devuan.org/os/documentation/...grate-to-ascii
https://devuan.org/os/documentation/...grade-to-ascii

## Feedback (we love that!)

If you try to install Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta from a DVD or CD setup
please test it offline (i.e., without a network connection and without a
configured mirror). If something goes wrong please try it
online (i.e., with a network connection and a configured mirror).
And then please report your findings to us including the list
of packages as given by `dpkg -l | gzip -9 > packagelist.gz`
and the output of `cat /var/lib/pam/session > pamconfig.txt`

Please get in touch with us through one of the community channels
listed below or on freenode #devuan-dev for real-time interaction.

## Information and contacts

Web: http://www.devuan.org
Forum: http://dev1galaxy.org
BTS: http://bugs.devuan.org
IRC: #devuan (freenode)

Journalists please note: this announcement of Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta
release is mainly for internal testing not for wide redistribution.
An announcement for the Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable release will
hopefully follow very soon.

happy hacking!

The dev1 team

[1] You can find an archive of the pre-alpha Valentine release message here:
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/messag...9bbd85.en.html
[2] https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/
 
  


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