sticky keys held down to repeat

Skaperen · 06-24-2022, 06:30 PM

i'm using sticky keys because it makes one handed CLI easier. but, when holding the non-modifier key down to repeat it the modification only applies to the first instance of the repeating sequence. what i would like to have happen is when i press the "Shift" key and release it then press the "z" key and hold it down for a few seconds before releasing it is to get "ZZZZZZZZ" instead of "Zzzzzzzz". what i get now is counter-intuitive to me. i think that the modification should persist until the modified key is released, at least in an extended mode of operation. is this possible to set or enable?

business_kid · 06-25-2022, 12:16 PM

What you seek is not on the keyboard, but is on the mouse. It's called 'copy & paste' there. In CLI, you can use gpm. Left button to copy, middle button to paste, any other mouse button (except on the taskbar) clears the copied text.

Modifiers allow 4 different characters to be displayed on each key. The usual modifiers are:

No modifier
Shift
Right_Alt
Right_Alt + Shift

Most layouts have some pre-configured, and you can configure more. I've configured a few for my own needs: 4 $ € ¢; = + ≠ ±; x X × ≅; l L ´ ¾; 3 £ © ³; 0 ) º °; etc. But being one handed myself, you have to be careful with the Right_Alt + Shift modifier, as not all keys may be accessible with 2 fingers already committed!

Skaperen · 06-25-2022, 06:21 PM

i'm finding that modifiers do accumulate. at least i can do Ctrl then Shift then + in xfce4-terminal to increase the font size. it's when i want to repeat that i have trouble if it's something modified like "R" or Ctrl-H.

the other thing i would like is a way to cancel modifiers. if i have pressed a modifier then decide i do not want to press the next thing and press an unmodified key, instead, i can't. if there was a "do nothing even if modified" key, that would solve it. i could press that to use away the modifiers i have pressed.

business_kid · 06-26-2022, 08:26 AM

The two I mentioned (Shift & Right Alt) are the key modifiers. Outside of that you're into program specific keyboard shortcuts. You're on yopur own there.

There's one other thing I should mention. In the keyboard mods, there 'dead' keys, most often used for accents. I've programmed a few of those, and very handy they are too. You press a dead key, and nothing happens, but you don't move forward a space. The next key you press should be the letter which is to get the accent. So I programmed in a few accents until I started running out of space. I still have to grep the keyboard file (/etc/X11/xkb/symbols/your_choice) occasionally.

Skaperen · 06-26-2022, 06:24 PM

i do not understand what you mean by "key modifiers". when you say "Shift" do you mean what i would refer to as "Left Shift"?

my /etc/X11/xkb is empty. there is no /etc/X11/xkb/symbols. what could that mean?

jailbait · 06-26-2022, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skaperen

what i would like to have happen is when i press the "Shift" key and release it then press the "z" key and hold it down for a few seconds before releasing it is to get "ZZZZZZZZ" instead of "Zzzzzzzz".

You can come close to what you want by using the "Caps Lock" key. The one difference is after the last "Z" you have to hit the "Caps Lock" key again to turn it off.

Skaperen · 06-26-2022, 07:24 PM

for upper case letters, that is exactly what i do. but that does not work for "$$$$$$$$$". for that i have to hold either Shift key down while repeating the 4/$ key.

business_kid · 06-27-2022, 06:07 AM

I've got very advanced with the Right_Alt & Shift keys. "$$$$$$$$$" is Left Shift + 4. I got programming before I got thinking, so ¹²³ are achieved by: Clockwise rotation 30°-45° of keyboard; thumb on Right Alt; middle finger on left Shift; Little finger on 1,2,3. That's more than a little insane. You really need a left hand for that sort of thing, but mine doesn't move. It's a battle of wits for us, especially as the numeric keypad doesn't do special characters.

I did manage to document my customised keymap, though.

Code:

`123456      78      90-=
¬!”£$%^      &*      ()_+
¦¡™©€§^(dead)¶”(dead)ªº–≠
 123456      78      90-=
 ¹²³¢†‰      ⁊•      ·°—±

qw      ert y u io p[ ]
QW      ERT Y U IO P{ }
œ˙(dead)é®þ ¥ ú íó ‚“ ‘
qw      ert y u io  [ ]
Œ̇˙(dead)É‰Þ µ Ú ÍÓ  ” ’

asdfgh      jk      l ; ‘  #
ASDFGH      JK      L
áßðƒ©˙(dead)ı°(dead)´ … æ  «
asdfgh      j       k   ‘  #  
ÁẞÐ         ¼½      ¾ ‡  Æ »

\      z xc      v      b      n      m,./	
|      Z XC      V      B      N      M<>?
`(dead)〈 ×¸(dead)ˇ(dead)¨(dead)~(dead)¯≤≥÷
\      z xc      v      b      n      m,./	
´(dead)  ≅¸                            „‚¿

The lines are:

No modifiers pressed
Shift only
Right Alt only
No Modifiers pressed (In gray)
Right Alt + Shift

The repeat of the keys with no modifiers makes it easier to follow what the Right Alt_Shift keys are.

Skaperen · 06-27-2022, 08:37 PM

i totally cannot understand what you are doing. and, how do i rotate a keyboard that is part of a laptop on a riser frame?

business_kid · 06-28-2022, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Skaperen

i totally cannot understand what you are doing. and, how do i rotate a keyboard that is part of a laptop on a riser frame?

To answer the second part, with great difficulty, I imagine. It certainly limits what you can do. I have a wireless keyboard.

Skaperen · 06-29-2022, 11:26 PM

i will assume the feature i want does not exist. if i ever get into hacking X source i'll look at input handling and see if i can change it. but, more likely, Wayland will be the big thing of the day. then, i wonder if sticky keys will even be around. but it least the source code should be simpler.

business_kid · 06-30-2022, 04:54 AM

There are programs or adaptions done for handling I/O for limited and even blind individuals.

I aquired bad habits, because as a youngster I got epilepsy. I was dismissed as handicapped. I rejected that and lived as normal a life as I could, being brought up short occasionally. I drove ran my own business, and raised a family. I've kept that attitude despite the stroke.