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Old 10-13-2011, 02:14 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by k3lt01 View Post
Wow how long did you have to think of this reply? I wasn't expecting any response so none was needed. What I did was give my opinion concerning your statement which conveyed that you know better than everyone else. I'm for free choice, you use what you want, I'll use what I want, everyone else can use what they want. You telling me that it doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks just tells me your have an over inflated view of your own opinion. Now that we have that out of the way the rest of your last post doesn't need replying to.

A response isn't required so please don't tax yourself to much.
You've already said that, but you haven't explained what that means. I don't think I've disrespected anyone's choices, but if you and I can see something, it's there, no matter who else can see it. People can choose to see it or not, but it doesn't cease to exist. That's a philosophical point; it's not just ego.

I said that two tools are always better than one tool, but logically, there could be exceptions. Let me put it this way: One tool is never better than that tool plus another tool. I don't know what you'd call that, but it's something more than an opinion.

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Old 10-13-2011, 03:13 PM   #47
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I haven't explained what what means? You have a Lit degree figure it out, I'm typing in plain English.

You made a point about text files being easier and we were talking about Fluxbox. Your statement implied that regardless of anyone else's point of view your opinion was the only one that mattered. I disagreed with that statement. I fail to see why that is difficult for an educated person to grasp.

Please don't keep this going in public, if you choose to continue take it to PM. I will no longer respond in this thread to you about this particular point.
Old 10-13-2011, 03:23 PM   #48
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Enough already before I have this thread closed by our friendly neighborhood moderator. (This isn't towards you, k3lt01, just in general - I don't want to see another thread get jacked and flooded....)

Back on subject..... I made xfce look like gnome 2, and I don't really have any negative reviews about it. Everything works, and being light weight, it's actually a lot better than gnome, IMO.
Old 10-13-2011, 05:12 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by k3lt01 View Post
I will no longer respond in this thread to you about this particular point.
I'm glad, but i think that what i have to say about this has value beyond the personal, even if it's off topic.

Now, if I said that fluxbox was the better desktop, and that all other choices were wrong, that would be an overblown idea of my own opinion. I didn't say that, and I never would, even if I was currently a fluxbox user.

What I said was that fluxbox text file has its own kind of user friendliness, based in the simplicity of the text commands. The thing about the fluxbox configuration files is that I never had to read a tutorial to figure them out. They're just as clear and obvious as any GUI interface. Now, you get that, and I get that. There are people who don't get that. They're not stupid. They just don't get that.

It's like if you and I are talking in Italian, and someone who only understands English hears us. That guy isn't stupid, but whether you and I are speaking an actual language isn't a matter of opinion.

People don't think of text as user friendly but it often is. Most Linux GUIs can be extended and customized by programming text commands like
into keyboard shortcuts, menu items, and desktop launchers. The syntax is easy. The browser next to the web address. It could be an editor next to a text file. A media player next to an mp3. Whatever it is, there are all sorts of ways of writing into most desktop GUIs, and clicking on it a hundred times a day. A customized click! That's user friendly.

I found this text based tutorial six years ago for converting AVI files into iso files for DVDs.

Now here's the thing about this. I didn't understand these commands, and I still don't, but I was able to copy and paste them into a text file, and execute them as a script. I then discovered that I could create a second script to launch instances of the script in sequence. The only command I needed to know for that was sh.

Before that I'd had a clunky unreliable Windows GUI program that came with my DVD burner. It took up all my resources, and had to be activated at every step in the process, but my new script ran in the background, and it processed 12 DVDs at one time! I could leave it alone for 24 hours at a time. At the end of that time, I burned my isos. THAT's user friendly!

Once again, I didn't understand the commands. It was all copy, paste, execute.

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Old 10-13-2011, 07:14 PM   #50
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Thank you ALL, especially blackbelt_jones. This reading really saves me time. I used to have a sea of time to try and fix stuff to make it work the way I want it. But now with my 3 year old son around, I barely have time to brush my teeth! Yes, I became a passive Linux user, just a consumer. As such, I really appreciate a system that works out of box and does not require me to re-learn where to find my applications.

On that note, let me go brush my teeth and... sleep! :-)
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