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Old 12-27-2015, 02:01 PM   #16
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Unless someone significant objects, can I suggest closing or locking this thread?
The OP clearly does not want help, or even reasonable discussion, but only wants to rant.
And he has attained that goal.
 
Old 12-27-2015, 02:31 PM   #17
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Kill the messenger.
 
Old 12-27-2015, 02:39 PM   #18
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Oh such maestral description, I wonder then what's the kernel developers' practice- knowing fully that there are A LOT of machines out there with a potential to break when their interfaces to proprietary drivers get "updated". And I really doubt developers are unaware of the massive number of machines with that particular point of failure. So would it make sense to have that into account? Not in the Linux world, it seems.
Not a developer problem. Their goal is to produce the best system, with the least overhead. When that calls for changing the driver interface, it gets changed.

All the vendor has to do is request the driver to be included in the kernel source, and provide the normal support. At which point it would get the updates just as fast as the 100+ other drivers do; and gain the benefit of thousands of developers identifying bugs and providing corrections to them. Even after the vendor stops support, that doesn't mean the driver doesn't continue to be updated. The thousands of developers that may want it updated will do the updates instead; thus the driver continues to work even after formal vendor support has stopped.

According to you, it isn't that many users. It tends to only be gamers that want the proprietary drivers to get the highest frame rates possible. Most (not all) of the others use the non-proprietary drivers that do get the updates.

Those that do use the proprietary drivers will wait to update until they are provided updated drivers.
 
Old 12-27-2015, 02:42 PM   #19
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Kill the messenger.
You have provided no message...
 
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Old 12-27-2015, 04:21 PM   #20
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@v4r3l0v: If you are interested in having your problem solved start to post information, so that we can actually help you. If you are merely interested in ranting about Linux please keep that to your personal blog.
If the ranting without any actual content continues this thread will be closed.
 
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Old 12-28-2015, 11:50 AM   #21
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According to you, it isn't that many users. It tends to only be gamers that want the proprietary drivers to get the highest frame rates possible. Most (not all) of the others use the non-proprietary drivers that do get the updates.

Those that do use the proprietary drivers will wait to update until they are provided updated drivers.
No, it's not that many users enjoying being pranked by programmers working from their parents' basements.
There's no hope for this iteration of CentOS even as a virtual machine. Recently updated virtual install within VirtualBox boots, gets to login screen and from there stops accepting any and all input. Then it goes to sleep and never wakes up. So for you, this is kind of normal, right?
 
Old 12-28-2015, 12:14 PM   #22
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I suggest closing or locking this thread?
Die, thread, DIE
 
Old 12-28-2015, 12:18 PM   #23
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Die, thread, DIE
Pledging allegiance won't make this failing software less crappy.
 
Old 12-28-2015, 12:23 PM   #24
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@ v4r3l0v: If you have nothing intelligent to post, please refrain.

Please see post #20 above.

Moderators please close this thread and counsel members on acceptable LQ uses.

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Old 12-28-2015, 12:26 PM   #25
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@ v4r3l0v: If you have nothing intelligent to post, please refrain.

Please see post #20 above.

Moderators please close this thread and counsel members on acceptable LQ uses.
I guess "Die thread DIE" is an intelligent post? But describing how software so dear to you actually fails in pretty spectacular ways isn't that intelligent?
 
Old 12-28-2015, 12:31 PM   #26
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Perhaps not, but it is a useful if direct expression of irritation with recurring useless and abusive posts from someone intentionally seeking to disturb the forum.

Please see post #20. If you want help with the spectacular failures unique to your basement, please post some useful information. If you only want to rant, please do so elsewhere.
 
Old 12-28-2015, 12:33 PM   #27
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No, it's not that many users enjoying being pranked by programmers working from their parents' basements.
There's no hope for this iteration of CentOS even as a virtual machine. Recently updated virtual install within VirtualBox boots, gets to login screen and from there stops accepting any and all input. Then it goes to sleep and never wakes up. So for you, this is kind of normal, right?
I've never had that happen. Yes, it happens with some proprietary VM implementations... But then those are not designed to support portability, but to lock the users into the proprietary environment.

Personally, I've been running CentOS in a VM for about 5 years. The only times problems occured was with virtualbox, or some Windows piece of nonportable software. VMWare didn't seem to have problems either.

So far, all your complaints seem like they are caused by user error - or an unwillingness to learn how things really work.
 
Old 12-28-2015, 12:34 PM   #28
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Perhaps not, but it is a useful if direct expression of irritation with recurring useless and abusive posts from someone intentionally seeking to disturb the forum.

Please see post #20. If you want help with the spectacular failures unique to your basement, please post some useful information. If you only want to rant, please do so elsewhere.
Disturb the forum? By letting others see how this OS fails in both hardware AND virtual installations? Truth is disturbing?
 
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I guess "Die thread DIE" is an intelligent post? But describing how software so dear to you actually fails in pretty spectacular ways isn't that intelligent?
Actually, you haven't desribed how the software "actually fails in pretty spectacular ways".

No error messages, unwilling to back out known experimental applications, and just saying the software doesn't work.

Nothing that can contribute to understanding your problem or to generate helpful responses.

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Disturb the forum? By letting others see how this OS fails in both hardware AND virtual installations? Truth is disturbing?
You have said nothing about HOW.

Ranting just gets on peoples nerves.

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Old 12-28-2015, 12:37 PM   #30
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So far, all your complaints seem like they are caused by user error - or an unwillingness to learn how things really work.
Duck head in sand. Of course, it's users' fault. It can't be otherwise. That same piece of software failed in both virtual and hardware installations tells you exactly nothing?
 
  


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