Controlling fonts in Thunderbird: How?
First, let's get this out of the way:
Environment: OpenSUSE 12.2, Thunderbird 14.0 Now on to the good stuff... I'm trying to adjust the font size used when viewing messages in Thunderbird. I've gone into Thunderbird's "Preferences->Display->Advanced" dialog and set a font type, size, and unchecked the box that allows messages to use different fonts. I took this to mean that my font selection should be used, right? Well, it doesn't. I'm still getting squinty sans-serif when I should be seeing much larger Adobe Times. I've gone into the KDE Desktop Configuration dialog for GTK configuration and adjusted the fonts. But that changes the size and font type of menu selections, message list, mail folder list, etc. The tiny font in the message pane is not affected. Ctrl-[+-] changes the message font size just fine. The trouble is that it reverts back to squinty sans-serif for each email viewed. (I "live" in Thunderbird for a good portion of the day and having to manually resize messages fonts is a major PITA.) Any ideas how to force Thunderbird to, you know, actually use the preferences that I've selected? As usual... TIA -- Rick |
TBird 14 is very old. I have 24.0 and this works for me.
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Second: Yes, you got to the right place for setting font sizes. Did you take notice of the drop-down list at the very top of this dialog labeled "Fonts for ..."? I don't understand why, but T-Bird handles font settings different for each encoding. So you have to select the character encoding that your incoming and outgoing mails actually use, and then choose the font settings for that encoding. Since you can't tell what encoding other people use, you'll have to make the same adjustments for different encodings. As for me, I had to care about Unicode, Western and Central European to cover everything. The other ones are meaningless for me and my usual contacts (except SPAM mails, which are more than 90% Chinese or Russian, but I don't care to read them anyway). Unfortunately, there is no "all the same" option. Quote:
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Thanks for the reply Doc CPU...
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I'll update once the new T-bird is installed. |
Just tried out T-bird 24.2.0...
The Unicode option, of course, appeared on the font choice menu. Set that up the same as the others (Western, Central European, etc.). Font sizes do change. Unfortunately... T-bird is one of those applications that does not understand what a "point" is. Setting the font size to "11" or "12" gets me a font size that only a sleazy lawyer could love. Setting the size to "22" seems to be necessary to get a font size comparable to what the rest of my KDE desktop understands to be "11" or "12" points. Thinking back... I think this is one of the things I found to be a major annoyance when I last used T-bird before switching to KMail. (If only KMail would a.) stop crashing and b.) not require akonadi.) Let's call this problem "solved" even though the solution is not exactly satisfactory. |
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BTW... with regard to printing emails: my wife complains that when she prints out an email -- hey, sometimes an 8.5x11 piece of paper with various colored highlighting taped to the cupboard door where the cereal bowls are kept is the only way to get your kids' attention -- it sometimes results in tiny, tiny font sizes. It seems that Windows World doesn't always make it easier to have what's on the screen make it to paper unscathed. I tell her to cut-n-paste into a word processor and print from there but that never goes over very well. Any Mac folks out there know if it's easier in your world? And I am going to enjoy my weekend... Hope you do too. :D Later... -- Rick |
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Now ask yourself, honestly: How often do you display and read an e-mail message onscreen, and how often are you going to print it? I can't remember printing an e-mail in the last five years. So from my point of view, T-Bird is right in specifying font sizes in pixels - if only it would clearly say so. Leaving the user to guess is what I don't like. Quote:
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Seems like that answers my above question, in a way. I don't have kids, so I can't confirm that experience. And my girlfriend is quite alert, so it's usually enough to tell her something once. It's rather the opposite: Sometimes she's annoyed when I forgot something she mentioned casually. Quote:
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Take care... -- Rick |
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BUT ... this is bogus. On my desk, I have a dual monitor system. The primary monitor is 1600x1200 and claims to be a 22", the secondary one is 1280x1024 and was sold as a 19" display. But their display height is almost exactly the same, and the width differs by mere millimeters. So if each of them were used separately, font sizes displayed on them would be very different. And actually it is, because in a multi-monitor setup X won't scale differently on multiple monitors, but will use the same dpi setting for all. It's different, but none the better in Windows: Windows never cares about the physical resolution of monitors, but simply assumes 120dpi if the screen is 1024x768 or more, and 96dpi for smaller displays. You can, of course, calibrate the true dpi rating, but seriously: Who would really do that? Quote:
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Most browsers have a built-in default font size of about 16px. All relative font sizes go back to that reference size, if no absolute sizes (px, pt) are specified anywhere. If you have a very high screen resolution and feel that 16px is too small for your eye as a "standard" size, you choose a bigger one in your browser's preferences. Quote:
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And the earth is a flat disc, and the easter bunny's wearing contact lenses. *g* [X] Doc CPU |
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And what drives me crazy is that it's not even consistent: My KDE windows titles are set to "Utopia 14" and my Firefox fonts are set to "22". Guess which one is bigger. It's totally nuts. Quote:
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Later... more problems to solve. -- Rick |
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Back in the Windows time, it was GDI that simply assumed a certain arbitrary resolution (though you could tune it, but hardly anybody did), and all the application depended on it. When I turned toward Linux (which was in 2008/09, after I'd realized that Windows 7 and I would never be friends), there was Gnome or xfce that seemed to take care of this, and again I wasn't bothered with the physical properties of my monitors. Quote:
And I always considered it an advantage that a certain font looked the same on every 1024x768 screen - relative to the physical size of these screens. I've had monitors with a resolution of 1024x768 and a size of 15", but I also had one monitor that had the same resolution (1024x768), but at a size of 11". Sure, it was a lot smaller. But still, fonts looked the same. The were built with the same number of pixels. Quote:
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Btw: Chicago, Illinois. I've never been in that area, but to a few other places in the US. However, at school I had an emigrated American from Chicago as an English teacher for three years. Guess that was the trigger for my English having a slight inclination to American. Accent and vocabulary. A classmate of mine asked the teacher, when he was new to us, whether he'd prefer American or British English in an exam, or mark one of them wrong. "No", he explained, "I'll accept either one as correct. But use it consistently. A mix of both will be marked wrong." Best wishes to the country where I feel more like home than in Germany ... [X] Doc CPU |
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Later... -- Rick |
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