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Old 03-30-2011, 06:26 PM   #61
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I got now a very very lot of questions, answeers, oppinions now also on IM so i think i will not able to answeer them all over and over again. I think i have explained and showed everything about this.
Of course i am very happy becouse a conversation started about these things, and i will hope that developers will also see this.

Here is the links for topics on different forums:

Of course if later i see some interesting oppinion about this, i will comment it. Thank you for reading my letter.
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Old 03-30-2011, 06:57 PM   #62
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Yes, the lib's joystick support works under windows with the last version i checked. But i not using this in the any more, i writed the joystick code for myself. Of course, every game that uses this lib will lack the joystick support becouse of this under linux. I dont want to explain more from this current code, but its a great example in this situation: how not to do something.
So, one could say that there is a multi-platform library that lacks support for linux. Yes, this is sad, really. One should change this. Well, someone, not me. Anyone out there to do so?

Linux support from Adobe could be better, too. Anyone out there to change it? Oops, sorry, you can't ... it's closed source

So, is Adobe a good example here on ... eh ... how to do something? Or on how not to do something?

Originally Posted by Geri View Post
The ,,windows'' sticker is of course valid in a lot of situation, but it does not even saves linux in some situations, becouse volume controls and play/stop butons is utilised on almost all generic keyboard on the same way. So for example, on keyboards whose detected as a generic XXX button ps2 device, and this feature works on windows, with some linuxes this still not working for some reason as default.
So, if it works "out of the box" on Windows, but not on Linux, this means that someone donated the supporting driver(modification) to Microsoft, but not to Linux. I still suppose this to be related to these "compatible with Microsoft Windows" stickers ...

This volume button example is quite interesting to me. I never bought one of these multimedia keyboards. I simply don't need them. My keyboard has enough keys, no need for additional ones. I solved this problem in a completely different way. I bought a speaker system with a volume control integrated into the cable. This works great and is very reliable.

So, if I am smart enough to decide on such a reliable solution, why are there lots of people buying unsupported non-standard keyboards? You surely need no grade in computer science to come to this conclusion.

But, please, as I have no experience with this kind of keyboards ... if they work out of the box on Windows, I still will have no need for volume control keys. So, can I configure these keys to e.g. log me out or lock my session on Windows? I can do so on Linux, and this is something I like on Linux ... "configurability".

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And NO. You are trying to give some words to my mouth. I didnt sayd that winxp is a beautifull commercial software and we should copy it... of course its beutifull in some ways, look how mutch bill gates earned with it. But in some situations, i think, linux community MUST learn from Windows. As i alreday sayd, we SHOULD NOT copy it, but the community must learn from it.
I neither said that you said that "winxp is a beautifull commercial software". Please reread my paragraph. I talked about costs and money, not about copying Windows.

People who are into copying Windows gather here:
Not a bad project, either.

Originally Posted by Geri View Post
Blaming Windows by the Linux community is like blaming Redbull f1 team by the Lotus team. Want to win the race? Create better car!
Want to win the race? Blast the opponents car, buy the referee and build a plane! ^^

There is no need to blame Windows. As we see, there are lots of other things, we can blame instead.
Old 03-30-2011, 07:27 PM   #63
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sounds like OP needs to switch to apple!

Originally Posted by Geri
-User should be able to handle the computer witout professional IT knowledge
My 3 year old son uses my Linux PC. Granted he's not doing any admin, but he can get on and play tuxpaint without problems.

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Old 03-31-2011, 03:20 AM   #64
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bet381: If you use only the tuxpaint, it is unlikely that you will encounter any problems.

A have some questions: who care about the Windows? The X is a containts of unpredictable errors. What this has to do with Windows?
An other question: do you really think the linux is free? If you believe that, you never spent six hours on a problem solving. Wake up Neo, the TIME is NOT FREE! You don't have to pay for the developers, it's true, and of course you learning a lot of tricks, I agree, but a lot of peoples don't wanna learning. Fix me, if you exactly know how it works your car, your refrigerator, your dishwasher, your cat's intestine, the reactor of Fukushima etc. But you have cold food, you can change your position quick, you have clean dishes, radioactive cloud (or real electric power from other reactors). I better than you if I know your car? Do not be ridicolous. But you can use your car, refrigerator anyway, cuz you know where is the door, the wheel, the pedals, the transmission, etc. The linux is an operation system, like thousands of other. Although it may be a way of life, if you want to spend your life sitting on a chair. I don't wanna that. I just wanna watch movies, listening music, keep in contacts etc. So I wanna USE the machine, and don't wanna built it. I see the linux community is no different from the Windows (if everyone's tanking about) communities, excepts: the Windows users is know the problem of systems, and does not admire it, the transparent problems due easier to solve it, and they prefer to help you. I keep my linux, cuz it's faster and safer than win, but am not going to do a statue of it. Why?

I hope the problems are resolved in the near future, and they make an easyer way, for example changable a simpler filesystem in the install, a simpler system for the simpler users, etc.

Spin off my words, my english or be blind, but that's not solve the problem, even if you takes over the operating system stickler, explaining style.
Old 03-31-2011, 03:23 AM   #65
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One more thing: do you really belive the linux programmers don't enjoy what they do? Why should I say thank you to do what they love?
Old 03-31-2011, 03:53 AM   #66
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Yuo can drive a car without being a mechanic.
You can use Linux without being a sys admin.

If you want to "tune up" your car you have to learn or to pay someone doing the job for you.
If you want to "tune up" your Linux... well: the same.

You bought a car but it can't go too fast and you can't win a race: your fault in the choise.
You installed a distro that can't do something you need without a little knowledge: your fault in the choise.

I often tell this story:
A young boy get the driving license and a new shining car.
After a pair of months he calls the mechanic because the car refuse to start.
The mechanic open the hood of the car and say: "When was the last time you changed oil and water?"
The boy answer: "What? They need to be changed?"

Cars (just like Systems) require a little maintenance.
If you refuse to learn maintenance be prepared to open your pockets and give someone money.
Or shut up and keep it malfunctioning whitout blaming someone else.

The concept of "out of the box" is a scam.

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Old 03-31-2011, 04:29 AM   #67
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Not everyone want's to race with your car. The maintenance an other thing. It should be, but it is important that this should be simple. File searcing in a complicate filesystem, and edit lines not so easy. But that's what may be really good on linux: if it's correctly configured, it's works satisfy (except the X, but may the wayland solving that part), but the configuring is overcomplicated (even, or just because of it's very configurable).
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