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Old 03-30-2011, 12:31 PM   #31
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i am sorry, i didnt wanted to chase you away, i am just a bit tired and i need some sleep, this is why i mistaken you
 
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Old 03-30-2011, 12:38 PM   #32
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There are a lot of intresting answers without any fact, and meaningful content. He just try to questioning some things, which makes a lot of problems for you too. Try to think about it, and answering, if you can't do anything, just calling him "troll", I don't know who is the real trolls.

PS: why need allways guarding the linux, if it's a perfect system, which is called?
 
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Old 03-30-2011, 12:45 PM   #33
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Yours is pure trolling.
First: I was not referring to biological age, but to mental age.
Second: You were talking about arrogance in your post but you've been much more arrogant than people you were accusing.
Third: It'd just be enough one of the dozens of documents explaining the philosophy of a distribution to prove that you are wrong.

A GNU/Linux distro is a complex mix of programs running "around" a Linux Kernel.
Someone has even said that Linux is not an Operating System, but this is only one amongst the thousands of points of view.
You are saing that you (the user) don't care about what developers think?
Well, this is a mutual thing.
I've just said that I didn't want Linux to become "for the massees" and you are the living proof that I was right.
 
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Old 03-30-2011, 12:57 PM   #34
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There are a lot of intresting answers without any fact, and meaningful content. He just try to questioning some things, which makes a lot of problems for you too. Try to think about it, and answering, if you can't do anything, just calling him "troll", I don't know who is the real trolls.

PS: why need allways guarding the linux, if it's a perfect system, which is called?
This poster's writing style is identical to Geri's. He makes the same kinds of spelling and grammar errors that Geri does. As well, his first post is not to any of the dozens of worthwhile ongoing threads, but to head straight for this one and leap to Geri's defense.

I honestly think that this is a sock puppet.

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Old 03-30-2011, 12:58 PM   #35
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I've just said that I didn't want Linux to become "for the massees" and you are the living proof that I was right.
Legyen a zene mindenkijé (Music should be for everyone) sayed by Kodály Zoltán (1882. december 16. – 1967. március 6. http://www.kecel.hu/images/stories/hirek/kodaly2.jpg) composer, ethnomusicologist, educator, linguist, and philosopher.
 
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Old 03-30-2011, 01:01 PM   #36
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dugan: D3D is also hungarian. I hope you want not to lead the thread into racism
 
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Old 03-30-2011, 01:02 PM   #37
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dugan: D3D is also hungarian.
How do you know?
 
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Old 03-30-2011, 01:02 PM   #38
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I learn something new today. The linux is working great, because that thing is documented somewhere. If it's true, i write an OS tomrrow, and i sell you with a line: it's perfect, any problem is generated by you. I think a lot of linux users fled from win, and don't really like the linux, just dislike win. That's not the right motivation. I like the win, and the linux too, and I can see the both things problems.

Thanks for calld me puppet, but if you see again, you don't wanna answer the original question, you just noticed my english problems.

Congratulations!
 
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Old 03-30-2011, 01:02 PM   #39
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i know him, i showed him this thread
 
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Old 03-30-2011, 01:45 PM   #40
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Dude, get a blog.
 
Old 03-30-2011, 01:49 PM   #41
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Mmm-wa-HA-HA-HA-HAHAHA-LOL!!!111

I will not call names here. There is a certain amount of merit in each point Geri wrote. Sadly I think Geri's entire concept of Linux is completely misguided.

Many different distros try their best to pander to users like Geri. All of them share his ideals like:
  • OS functions should be hidden from the user as much as possible.
  • User should never be exposed to CLI at any time.
  • GUIs must be written for every part of the system a user might conceivably interact with.
  • GUIs must look as simple, beautiful, and modern as possible.
  • Everything in the system can be accomplished by a minimal number of mouse actions.
  • Everything just works to the greatest extent possible without user intervention.

I don't want my distro to cater to Geri and friends, even though I know they will still try. Geri, not everyone thinks like you! Each of us has our own needs and desires!

Geri, please try to understand that Linux is not Windows.

In my opinion, Geri and his friends are much better served by Windows or Mac.

Geri, if you are determined to continue on with Linux anyway, then please, please,please consider making your own Linux distro. It is entirely possible, especially for an experienced developer such as yourself. I am very sure that you can quickly gain hundreds of followers who agree with your philosophy. There are many people who want a Linux distro like you describe, and they will love you for making it.

One more thing, Geri. When you finally make a Linux distro which conforms to your ideals, then please submit patches upstream when you fix all the bugs and deficiencies which annoy you so much. That way the entire Linux user community can benefit from your efforts, and maybe some will be a little more persuaded to your way of thinking.
 
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Old 03-30-2011, 01:57 PM   #42
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I am an application developer, creating operating systems is not my opportunity. As i have mentioned before, i have alredays sent patches to bugs wich annoyed me, in a several cases. Those problems i have mentioned before, structural problems, and not distro-specific. Cant fixed by third hands - just can be hidden. Hiding an issue, as you mentioned, and fixing a problem, is not the same. You cant fix a problem by hiding it, it will still exist.

arizonagroovejet: it was too long for my videoblog.
 
Old 03-30-2011, 02:01 PM   #43
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Thank you, Geri, for stopping by to express how deeply you just don't get it.

WE ARE THE HARDCORE LINUX COMMUNITY: WE DECIDE, WHAT IS GOOD AND WHAT IS BAD FOR AN USER.

Dead wrong. With Linux, you get choice. Want a piece of bloatware filled with shiny bells and whistles? You can have that. Want a slim OS that'll handle your basic needs on outdated hardware? You can have that, too. YOU, the owner, get to decide every service that's run, every permission that's granted, every package that's installed.

Or, you can have the Microsoft model, where every decision is made for you, so all you have to do is click-click-done.

And one thing you're forgetting here is that there are an awful lot of desktops out there where the end user does not get a choice, choices are being made for them by the IT staff, because the computers don't belong to the end users. A school library is not the place to play Quake. A bank teller station is not the place to exchange instant messages. Policy enforcement on Windows platforms is spotty at best.

ARROGANCE

Wrong again. The height of arrogance is for someone to make all the decisions for you, like Microsoft does.

USER-FRIENDLY

Well, duh. Here's where the trade-off for all that choice comes in. If you want to set up your system exactly how you want it to work, then you have to learn how computers work. On the other hand, if you want the borg to assimilate your machine, then you don't have to know anything except click-click-done.

When I work on projects that cross platforms, I'm often shocked at how ignorant the folks who work solely on MS technology are about basic computing fundamentals. Because everything is made so easy for them, they have no idea what's happening under the covers.

BAD API

I don't even know why you called this topic by that name, when your complaint has nothing to do with APIs. You're really just whining about how software is packaged.

Compare the Microsoft model... 900 packages might be installed on your system, 10% of which might be something you actually use. Wasted resources? Yep. Tons of unnecessary security attack vectors? Yep. Unwanted packages that are impossible to remove? Yep. Any way of actually determining a full inventory of what's installed on your system? Nope.

On the other hand, there's Linux, where nothing gets installed without your knowledge or permission. Need to install Cat Dresser, which requires gcc? Maybe you have a security requirement that no compilers can be installed on the machine. No problem... you can accept to install gcc, and then when you're done, you can uninstall gcc, because you're aware of what's happening and it's not doing anything sneaky and underhanded to you.

And since many distros have huge repositories that include Cat Dresser and all of its nine different dependencies, and installing all of them together is basically click-click-done, what are you whining about?

INCOMPATIBLITY, AND THE TOTAL LACK OF SUPPORT

You get what you pay for.

Then again, if you want support, there are enterprise desktop versions out there, and you can buy support. So again, thanks for sharing how little you know.

IGNORANCE

This says, "Boo-hoo-hoo, I had one bad experience with support for a free product, therefore all products are bad." I bet you've never once had a problem with a Microsoft program you actually paid for, right??

ENEMIES

Thanks for sharing how you don't understand the computer business. Obviously all these big companies are working with the open source community because they hate money, right?

Also, it's not like every product on Linux is GPL.

LACK OF THE INNOVATION

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Sorry. Couldn't resist.
 
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Old 03-30-2011, 02:04 PM   #44
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SL00b: if you would have right, and the problems i mentioned before, would not exist, linux share would be not 2%.

I showed examples for this problems, but of course, you cant proof it with examples, how good are these things work. You just calim, this problems are not even exist. Belive me, they do.

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Old 03-30-2011, 02:05 PM   #45
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