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Old 02-08-2011, 05:30 PM   #31
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You're all from India / Pakistan / Bangladesh. It's only people from the subcontinent who ever ask questions like this. No idea why, but it's true.
Acid Kewpie. My dear dear fellow. That is the most gratingly, astoundingly intolerant comment that could possibly be made in response to what appears to be a simple misunderstanding of contractual privity on the part of someone whose jurisdiction is not well served by Red Hat. You could quite simply have stated the fact and let that be. What on earth possessed you to disgorge, I regret to say, your half baked and Daily Mail-esque worldview upon the poor unsuspecting citizenry? I am shocked that you are a moderator, and I am appalled that you are a compatriot.
 
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Old 02-09-2011, 03:51 AM   #32
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Acid Kewpie. My dear dear fellow. That is the most gratingly, astoundingly intolerant comment that could possibly be made in response to what appears to be a simple misunderstanding of contractual privity on the part of someone whose jurisdiction is not well served by Red Hat. You could quite simply have stated the fact and let that be. What on earth possessed you to disgorge, I regret to say, your half baked and Daily Mail-esque worldview upon the poor unsuspecting citizenry? I am shocked that you are a moderator, and I am appalled that you are a compatriot.
A Daily Mail reader? I think not. Making observations about certain parts of a population is not inherently racist or even negative at all. You have 3 posts and clearly very little experience of this forum and the types of questions asked. Different people live in different cultures and work in different ways. Are we supposed to ignore the fact that people vary? That's a pretty pathetic way to live. If you feel the need to knee jerk at something simply because of a few keywords, then that's your problem, not mine.
 
Old 02-09-2011, 01:11 PM   #33
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A Daily Mail reader? I think not. Making observations about certain parts of a population is not inherently racist or even negative at all. You have 3 posts and clearly very little experience of this forum and the types of questions asked. Different people live in different cultures and work in different ways. Are we supposed to ignore the fact that people vary? That's a pretty pathetic way to live. If you feel the need to knee jerk at something simply because of a few keywords, then that's your problem, not mine.
Chris. I didn't mention racism at all as the peoples of the subcontinent do not form a homogeneous race but I think you would have to concede that to deny your irrelevant aside the adjective of 'negative' would rob that word of much of its meaning. I admit I only have '3 posts and very little experience of this forum' and were that the arena of contention I would yield without a fight. My reaction was not knee jerk: you have made several disparaging comments regarding the subcontinent where such a reaction was not necessarily called for. We are all here to discuss Linux related issues (or to observe others discussing them), not to cast generalised aspersions on the geography of artificially aggregated posters. There may be manifold reasons why 'certain parts of a population' may in our opinion be appearing to behave similarly, not least of which may be a misperception on our part. In any event, such analysis is better left to sociologists than system administrators. If I misunderstood what you said and caused you offence, then I apologise and withdraw my remarks. However, your posts are invariably well written and I doubt that you did not mean what you said, and that worries me.
 
Old 05-05-2011, 01:15 AM   #34
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Looking for RHCSS material

Dear Friends, I am looking for RHCSS material. Kindly do let me know who could be able to provide me soft copy of it. I have already searched on internet ..... Waiting for someone's response asap.......
 
Old 05-05-2011, 01:18 AM   #35
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Hi Sabir, can you kindly provide me RHCSS material? And also who is providing RHCSS training or EXAM option in Pakistan?



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Hi all:
I have worked out and tested the secure DNS deployment in the test environment. I am documenting it and share the same with you people in 2 to 3 days.
This is the only way we Pakistani / Indian / Bangladeshi people can help each other.
 
Old 05-05-2011, 01:48 AM   #36
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We can not provide course material for RHCSS, it is copyrighted and against non disclosure agreements to distribute it. Do not ask again.
 
Old 05-05-2011, 04:09 AM   #37
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I think a lot of it maybe comes from a certain attitude within the subcontinent. I wouldn't dream of hypothesising any further but there certainly seems to be something about Indian people in general that seems to value certification collection more than the skill sets, jobs and remuneration it is intended to lead to.
The job seekers and the students are not to blame.
The education system in India is very poor as compared to the western countries and the corrupt people sitting in higher ranks won't let that improve!

No matter what degree of experience you have, you won't be called to an interview if you can't show your certificates.

ASA asking for the sample papers is concerned, the intention is not cheating. It is a mentality here or I should say a pattern, that in schools and colleges we are often asked by the professors to have a look at the type of questions that have been asked in the previous years exams. On the top of that, there are special books (hard copies) available in the book stores, containing the actual questions asked in previous years (especially w.r.t the 10th and 12 grade exams) and no student would go to the exam without having a glance at them.

and AFA RHCE is concerned, I don't know much about it (the privacy policies and all), and I think the subcontinent people (in this thread) don't know it either, so what they are looking for, is normal from their view point (considering the environment they live in), IMO.
 
Old 05-05-2011, 08:17 AM   #38
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The job seekers and the students are not to blame.
The education system in India is very poor as compared to the western countries and the corrupt people sitting in higher ranks won't let that improve!

No matter what degree of experience you have, you won't be called to an interview if you can't show your certificates.

ASA asking for the sample papers is concerned, the intention is not cheating. It is a mentality here or I should say a pattern, that in schools and colleges we are often asked by the professors to have a look at the type of questions that have been asked in the previous years exams. On the top of that, there are special books (hard copies) available in the book stores, containing the actual questions asked in previous years (especially w.r.t the 10th and 12 grade exams) and no student would go to the exam without having a glance at them.
When material is copyrighted then one can use some of the material as educational but to violate copyright out right then that is illegal thus violating laws and LQ Rules. So no matter how the Instructors/Prof may suggest to look at questions then the parties will have to use public material & objectives. Not solicit someone to violate laws or rules.

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and AFA RHCE is concerned, I don't know much about it (the privacy policies and all), and I think the subcontinent people (in this thread) don't know it either, so what they are looking for, is normal from their view point (considering the environment they live in), IMO.
Try Google for NDA(non disclosure agreement). As members of a active forum the above statement is not valid. This type of query happens all the time.

So to all participants: Do not query for any members to violate laws or LQ Rules.
 
Old 05-05-2011, 08:29 AM   #39
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When material is copyrighted then one can use some of the material as educational but to violate copyright out right then that is illegal thus violating laws and LQ Rules. So no matter how the Instructors/Prof may suggest to look at questions then the parties will have to use public material & objectives. Not solicit someone to violate laws or rules..... As members of a active forum the above statement is not valid....
In my above post, I was no where trying to say that the those kind of query posts are justifiable at LQ. I was merely trying to explain the reasons behind such mentality/attitude of the people of the subcontinent, to the perplexed acid.
 
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In my above post, I was no where trying to say that the those kind of query posts are justifiable at LQ. I was merely trying to explain the reasons behind such mentality/attitude of the people of the subcontinent, to the perplexed acid.
I was clarifying the LQ position. No violations allowed no matter what a prof/instructor may lead the students to do or be influenced to do. Copyrights & following the letter of of Law is important for our society.

I come from academia and would never suggest nor support such actions. As a educator we have a thin line that we must follow. Cheating is one thing but outright violation of laws is not acceptable. No excuses!
 
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As a educator ...
Oh dear. We're all doomed, right? :-)
 
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Oh dear. We're all doomed, right? :-)
Hopefully not to bad!

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Old 05-05-2011, 12:35 PM   #43
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I think a lot of it maybe comes from a certain attitude within the subcontinent. I wouldn't dream of hypothesising any further but there certainly seems to be something about Indian people in general that seems to value certification collection more than the skill sets, jobs and remuneration it is intended to lead to.
Yes, and God knows I've paid for that attitude. You've touched a raw nerve with this comment. I don't want to go into my own personal details, and problems, but suffice it to say that in this Godforsaken hellhole of a country, you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
I don't think you're a racist at all for thinking like this - it's like saying "English people are beer-lovers" - it's ABSOLUTELY TRUE, for any given slice of the English population, so, please, don't anybody call him that.
 
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I've noticed the same thing...even in the Red Hat Cert forums...

I wonder what it is? It seems that the "paper" is worth more than the knowledge it takes to get there.

-C

It's because the HR dept. in any company is made up of CLERKS, who can match the string "RHCE" in "What The Boss Said He Required", to the same in any person's Resume - they probably have no clue what that is.

The British made clerks out of us more than 60 years ago, and we're *still* carrying on that way - if this were not so PATHETIC, it would be laughable.
 
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I don't think you're a racist at all for thinking like this - it's like saying "English people are beer-lovers" - it's ABSOLUTELY TRUE, for any given slice of the English population, so, please, don't anybody call him that.
I'm *NOT* a beer lover, thankyou. Don't be so bigotted. I much prefer Scotch Whiskey, or Cider. True story.
 
  


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