Expectations after RHCSA and RHCE certification.
 

hi..i am final year student(CSE)...I am doing currently RHCSA and RHCE cetification courses....so after completing these courses hw much salary can i except ?

You can EXPECT exactly nothing. There is NO degree/certification that will get you ANY guaranteed salary, or even a salary range. What you get paid is up to the company that hires you.

Also, if you think that an RHCSA and/or RHCE is worth much....you are sadly mistaken.

It's worth the value of the paper it's printed on.

Oh wait, do they still just send you a PDF? :)

Lots of "certifications" are sold, successfully, to kids who've just gotten out of school and who therefore still believe that "life is a test." (In the sense that you study the material, take the test, and "get an 'A'," tah-dahh™.)

In the real world of business, however, those rules don't apply. People are using computer technology to do many different things, but the emphasis is always upon what is the business purpose, and whether-or-not a particular employee (one of many ...) can help those things along.

The illusion that is quite-shamelessly marketed ... in this and other threads here today on this forum ... goes basically like this (actual slightly-edited quote): And so, what these people set out to do, is to sell you that "golden ticket."

All of you out there need to drink about a gallon-and-a-half of Reality Juice, with no "chaser." The real world of business is not magic, is not out to get you, and frankly does not find that your ability to "work with the Linux operating-system" is all that phenomenal. What's needed is a humble person, with a really good work-ethic, who has a genuine interest in what (s)he's doing, who is willing to learn, and who can be counted-on not to screw things up (too badly, too often).

Certification-courses can be a valuable source of professional continuing-education. Most of them are well-written by competent instructional designers. But, they are not golden tickets. There is no 'Golden Ticket.'

Expectations
 

I have been working on Unix and Linux since 1988. The last few years have been DOD. They insist on Certs, no matter what. I have a Solaris Admin Cert from Oracle, but now working Linux. At first they insisted I get a Linux cert, but they finally settled for the Solaris. But I had one job I really wanted, they would not consider me because I didn't have the Red Hat certs. So if you want to work DOD, certs will be required. BTW, had to get Security+ and that has been no benefit to me whatsoever, but it was required.

Yea DOD is A+, Net+, and Security+ just to get administrator privileges on the network

If they will pay for, at their own expense, "employee training" that leads to whatever 'certifications' they have decided they require, then that would be just fine. Otherwise, go find someplace else to work.

There's nothing at all wrong with requiring employees to have the proper training (according to the employer's standard policies) to do the work that they will be expected to do. Companies should invest in their people, knowing that what they put in they will probably get out. (Some companies do stipulate that, in exchange for the investment in training, you must promise to keep working for them for at least one year: they're not running a trade school, after all.)

To demand that someone buy, at their own expense, a vendor-supplied certification that is not a legally-required credential, would be considered a form of employment discrimination under American law and would not be permitted. Potential employees who can otherwise do the work might not be able to afford such a program, nor to stop-working long enough to complete it, and would therefore be being denied "equal employment opportunity."

(This is not the same case as doctors, nurses, civil engineers, and other professions in which a form of licensure is legally required and the competencies represented by that license are legally specified. There is no form of professional licensure for a computer programmer ... yet.)

And in my mind it still comes back to: "find another place to work." If they won't put their own money into preparing their own employees to do their work the way they want it done, then you'll never be happy working there.

In my case there are not a lot of options. At 63, no matter what the law says, for the most part companies are looking for younger people. So having the DOD option was great. No, I didn't want the Security+ cert, but it was a requirement. I don't use anything that was on the test. Just like now, there are rumblings that a Linux cert might be required, and if they go by the book, I support Red Hat, so it would be that one. I would certainly learn something, but I am only going to work a few more years, so at this point, not sure I want to go after it.

Depends very much on the country you are in, and the job you are applying for. As a junior sysadmin directly out of school, I would estimate something like 3-4 Million Yen per year.

"Brownwrap," it sure sounds to me like someone's taking full advantage of the perceived-to-you "disadvantage" of your age to try to sell you a great big bucket of sh*t, and I would frankly say that ... "your suspicions are correct."

"You, of all people, sir," have certainly "been around this block long enough to know better," and methinks that you, with your level of experience in the same business world that you are very soon to depart, certainly need not waste your time further with such things.

Quite frankly, at this point, the most-valuable thing that you have to offer to the business world is: "the one thing that you cannot get any sooner," which is .. experience. (And I'm not just talking about "technical know-how.") Sir, I'll bet that I could fairly-easily find "a handful of twentysomethings" who "could pass that test" just as well as you could, say, "still train yourself to do." But none of them would have the faintest clue what to do in a triple-handful of real-world business situations ... that you have already bloodied your head against, whereas they have not. The expertise that you possess is not something that's taught in school. Certainly, there's not a piece-of-paper on this planet that is equivalent to it.

Sundialsvcs, Thank you the very kind words. To change the subject, I see LFS. I am glad to say I finished Linux From Scratch and Beyond Linux From Scratch twice. It has actually helped me a great deal in my current job which requires me to compile from source various software packages I download, like:

http://ngwww.ucar.edu/

http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf/

http://www.open-mpi.org/

When I arrived here a little over a year ago, no one wanted to take the time to build these packages, which have to be compiled with GCC, Intel Copilers, and Portland Group compilers. I used the above three to compile a 4th package the last two days:

http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/coamps-web/web/home

Like I said, it is a job no one particularly wants to do, but I like it and learned a lot of tricks from LFS.