Very true. Although I would judge BG as the eviler one. The difference is he says " Here's an app with my unviewable code" whereas Linspire is more of "Here's an app with someone's viewable code"

but billieG dosent make flash movies with jamaican music dissing the competition...

You know, the compiler comes with the developer version of lindows/linspire.

I imagine that those who only want an OS to run apps on wouldnt be the slightest bit interested in a compiler. But someone who plays with the OS would like the Developer Version (at the same price as the regular).

Although I spent some years in under the hood in DOS (3.0 > 7.0 and 2000) and Windows (3.0 > 2000), I'm happy not to fill up my HDD with stuff I don't need lol!

I use it to get away from the eternal tail chasing that goes on in the Windows environment with "having" to upgrade... and the viruses and all the rest of the baloney.

Yes, you can pay for CNR ... it's your choice. I have.

It means I can download and install without any dramas. Many folk are happy to pay for a service. Like a phone service. Or cable television. Or what have-you.

I believe it is Linux by definition. I suspect Linus would agree too.

Maybe we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that Linux gives us a stable operating system that challenges Microsoft at various levels. I believe there is a user level that this distro fits into. If it doesn't suit you, there are many other choices out there :grin:

Let's also dispell the "only root" furfy. You are actually given the option to create users - yes in the plural - in a very similar way to how SuSE invites you to do so

Let us all enjoy our own favourite OS whether it comes from Redmond, or wherever. I happen to like the Sandy Ego flavour, lol

debian.

apt-get install pkgname <absolutely free, uses the same packages that CNR does. If you download a full version of apt for lindows, you no longer even need cnr.>

gentoo

emerge pkgname 91000. yes that is ninety-one thousand packages available with just one command. absolutely free.

I believe that CNR is something that lindows/linspire created to milk innocent people of their money because they don't konw that what they are getting can be got for free anywhere else.

*Sigh* Yet another clueless post. I wish you people could stop talking about, and having opinions on, a product that you obiously have no experience with.

Yeah mate. Gets boring after a time, doesn't it?

I've posted sooooooo many concise explanations about choice in so many pages too...

Do they read other threads? Or do they have to be right? Or do they believe that "free" has to mean "free as in beer"?

Suggest you folks go and read the most read link on the internet!

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

It is so sad when you consider all Linspire is, is another GNU/Linux distro that works well. And that a surprising number of folk actually enjoy using it!

True statement. I don't use Linspire, not much care for it, but I have seen some pretty apps available in it that were not so easily installed using rpm, source, or even apt-get/synaptic or whatever. The main point is, that Linspire is not ripping off the less knowlegable users. Open source does not always mean free. I know several people who make their living off of selling "Open Source" software. Yes, it is usually available free, but if someone wraps up a package to make it more easily usable, then they certainly haved the right to sell their "wrapped up" packages.

I am not the moderator of this forum, but I think it has certainly run its course way too long now. This forum has turned into a love-hate relationship that will never end. We may as well be talking politics or religeon.

Thank you amfoster

I think there may be a problem with forums that are open to casual public browsing folk can run the risk of discouraging readers from trying what they are set up to discuss or promote.

I wonder if I should just slip away, quietly, into the night, dragging my green italic L with a blue notch in it behind me...

At times it seems to me almost like the fury that greeted people who dared to use Microsoft's Windows (which looked remarkably like a copy of X-Windows to my untrained eye) instead of DOS back in the mid 1980s.

We are not debating whether or not Lindows is a great OS or not, because it is. We are debating whether or not its right to sell others source code, and make a profit without even acknowleding the original programmer. Its stealing and a crime, but many have gotten away with it for years, just like plagerism.

I suggest you go and read about what open source is actually all about.

No point in subscribing to this thread any longer.

I don't really know, since the distro changed name to Linspire i think that it has started converting to a normal distribution, and about CNR it is there for luxury reasons, they want to make money cause they include CNR, but you can use apt-get or install synaptic aswell, but if you want to pay for your luxury you go for CNR.

Actually there is absolutely no difference between Linspire and Lindows. Just a name change.

Same company headquarters in the same town.

Same people working for it.

Same operating system, but with some updates to it in later incremental versions as they prepare for the next major one which we believe with take it from 4.5 to 5.0

However how about looking at some PR stories, even by genuine Linux OS professionals, of how they have converted Microsoft users to desktop and laptop Linux through using a customised Linux called Linspire...

Isn't that what most Linux users aim for when we tell friends who are often unaware that computers don't have to be unreliable time wasters containing broken applications, virii, spyware, etcetera?

This link is a good one to start with http://www.linspire.com/lraiser_success.php?serial=355 and there are others if you go up one level on that site.

And yes, I have returned to this forum - despite my last post - at the request of one of the mods to whom I dropped a line out of sadness about closed minds.

I don't work for Linspire. But I like what they have done... and I choose to use it... which has taken resources... and the people who have contributed tirelessly to make it work as a matter of choice for Joe Public all need to put food on their tables to feed their kids, and pay the rent.

That is why you have to buy RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake (although they do release free downloads from time to time)... and just think for a moment, much of the kernel advance has been helped by those who are gainfully employed in commercial Linux, and I would hazard a guess that the same could be said for advances in KDE and Gnome which are also offered to all other Linux developers and users through open source.

Wonder how many are aware that Sun's Java Desktop is in fact customised SuSE with a heavily customised Gnome GUI? And I read that the source is made available for you and me to use should we choose to do so.

You are like a Fan boy, you don't listen to what others say. No one said that Linspire was not Lindows, nor did anyways say Linspire was not a good OS. You are blind, and need to read, Linspire is bad because they don't give credit to where its due. I have no problem with someone taking source code and making it better and repackaging it. What I have a problem with is taking that source code, tweaking it to work on Linspire, repackaging it and giving no credit to those who so tirelessly worked on it. Sometimes they do, but most fo the time they don't. For that I will NEVER use Linspire nor will I ever recommend it.

Calm down everyone. Linspire is Linux and is Lindows (they had to change the name to Linspire after the case with Microsoft). Check the sources of the software in Linspire - I think you will find that the credits are intact.

Oh, and check the KDE homepage - Linspire is a big contributor to that project. See also Nvu.

I think you are the onw who need to read:
All GPL credits are intact for ALL GPL software available in Linspire