Believe us, if you buy SuSe off the storeshelves with the multi-disk set, and use Yast to set up those programs, you will understand where we are coming from.
There is also another benefit to Yast, and that is within the open window of whatever disk you are on. If by chance you have a package downloaded or saved on that disk, all you have to do is highlight the package, click on the "Install with Yast" in the left hand corner, and Yast installs it right than and there.

This liltte option alone has saved me at least a couple of hours of frustration with codecs.

Thank you.

I think SuSE is very interesting too. Thus am I planning to install 9.1 on dual-boot as soon as the "ftp installtion version" is up. I don't like have to keep CDs around me to keep software. I rather have a web service to install software from. If you got a decent connection I think there are many advantages of it.
Regarding the "install from here" feature, CNR has the same functionality.

But...if you dont have a connection to the CNR warehouse to get those packages, than it doesnt do a whole lot of good, even though it is in theory, a great idea and that is why I love the multi DVD's from SuSe.

I am still a packrat when it comes to disks, floppies..etc...keeping them organized helps a great deal, however I am in the market for a 200 gig hard drive to store all of these goodies on, and simply put the disks in safe storage.

oh really? but to install from source don't you need a compiler? like a compiler that lindows doesn't have by default? So doesn't that mean you need cnr to install that compiler? Dude give it up, we're not gonna budge from what we think. And frankly I think I have more important threads to input my help in then argue with a Linspire user. Not worth my time.

Either you get Linspire Developers Edition and it will be included, or you fetch developer tools through apt-get or manually downloading.
The point is that with CNR you won't have to fiddle with things like this.
I'm not gonna budge from what I think either. Especially not because of someone as full of FUD as you. I won't miss you.

All i know is, that when i use an OS i want the experience to be as quick and painless as possible so i can get what i need to get done, done. I think all distros should come with something like Synaptic or CNR it makes it a lot easier and more efficient. i don't even mind paying for it if the companies on the list benefit from it. With longhorn on the way and MS owning a piece of Apple, there is going to be a flood of people choosing Linux as a Desktop, why not make it easy for them?

P.S. (when i was speaking of MS and Apple i was reffering to how everything is going to be propriatary. i support open source because it shares ideas with everyone, and eveyone can improve on them, not so with propriatary)

In order for most people to switch completely from M$ though, Linux will have to rely on generous outpourings from harware developers, and of course the most important, software companies in order to make that transistion just a bit more painless for Micorsoft refugees.

Yes, there is Gimp, and Open Office, however that does not close the deal. Hardware detection is a major detour as well, so hopefully with M$ trying to appease their proprietary nature with M$ only programs, and of course their idea towards implementing M$ software licences just to have software that works on Windows, a few of these companies abadon ship, and bite the financial profit bullet for a couple of years while supporting Linux driven drivers and code.

FUD? whatever. I'm tired of arguing through all this ignorance

I don't even mind paying for drivers if i have too, as long their at a reasonable price, like 3.99 or something, or maybe they can make a product solely for Linux like a Video card that would have the driver already installed or something, give it to the KDE or Gnome people and make it part of their software or put the build in the kernel. i understand they don't want to make their software open source but then again maybe they wont have to.

wohoo i got it, 2.4.24 yay!

I would to, but to actually get most drivers to work currently, you need something like ndswrapper, or Linuxant, which for the most part is very problematic on Linspire bone stock. If you have the dev edition, I believe those two would work without fail as many persons over there have proven by very informative tutorials, but for the most part, bone stock Linspire (as I know all to well) has major problems with those wrappers. Especially if you use WEP keys and the like.

What would be real nice to see, is a similar setup such as Wine, take a Windows driver and simply implement it throughout the system via a virtual hardrive, or from the root directory. I guess in a way it would be very similar to the wrappers, but what I am talking about, is just taking the M$ driver (which a person always gets with the disk, or from a download) and just dropping it into a directory and using it.
That would be the ultimate Linux utility, and one that would completely put M$ on their knees.

Why don't you read some of the cr@P you've posted yourself first before you make comments like that one?

You appear to think that because you don't use Linspire or whatever then nobody else should. Thought Linux was all about free choice. You, my friend, take yourself far too seriously, you need to get out and about more.

As for your signature. What age are you? Let me guess, 12? 13 max? Less?

So anyone who uses windows by choice or because that have too are 'Mindless peons' are they? I think we all know who the Mindless Peon here is. You insulting little lad.

The things that i post where posted after research. After actually using the stupid OS. And after having numerous discussions on it. Instead of attacking the substance of my arguments, you'd rather attack me personally. Sad, very sad. All that last post did, was justify my opinions, and show how st@$)# you are. Wanna use Linspire? Use it. I don't care. And this thread is of no value. Not with people like you its not.

I'll just waste a few more minutes on you, help you see the light as the saying goes. It's easy to research on the Internet and find something that exactly matches your point of view. How about a balanced review once in a while.

You are attacking Me personally with your signature, I'm surprised the mods let you post it like that. I use Fedora for almost everything but there are somethings I can't get a program for. I also use XP for my business dealings because my clients insist on complete compatibility of files. That makes me a Mindless Peon does it??

I don't use Linspire, but if I thought it would be of use to me then I would, regardless of your bigoted and biased view of it. You have the view that what you say must always be right.

Your are about right. All you do is knock Linspire on a part of the forum that people come to because that use Linspire. I doubt they come here to listen to you rant against it. They come for help and encouragement.