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You don't have to use CNR if you don't want to. CNR apps are configured specifically for Linspire (afaik). Apt-get runs perfectly well under Linspire, it's everywhere - Slackware has it, RedHat/Fedora has it, Mandrake has it, heck, even Debian has it!

true dat

sorry to butt in on this or contradict anyone, but apt-get does not work under Linspire anymore without a few configuration changes, and even with this done, it does not work to its fullest like it once did in the earlier version of Linspire. (4.0)

In basic terms, the user has to use CNR, and I am afraid as they increase in release versions, apt-get will all but disappear completely.

ealm,

SuSe allows for a complete configuration of the firewall even if it did not set up the way you wish. In fact, it is by far the most comprehensive firewall included on a distro in my opinion. Besides that fact alone, they have to have a good firewall considering you can set up any flavor or variety of servers with SuSe, which you cannot with Linspire obviously.

Security...well, Mysql and Apache under Linspire is a dangerous proposition. Nothing against LInspire mind you, because as they have admitted the OS was never intended for that purpose, but for those who do not know better, they download the packages from CNR and install them anyway. The directories in which they are installed are what one could call a security hazzard waiting to happen, so that in itself is a secuirty drawback.

I have never been prompted for the 'add a user' section. Perhaps the latest version has that, but with 4.5.316 I did not have that option.

Truthfully, I didnt even know Linspire had a firewall. I never seen any indication of one at all. Is that a option to buy, or is it a default?

WebX, man are you on all the same threads as me? Heh, you bring some very good points to the table!


and uh, I'm still waiting for ealm's reply. I'd like to know how SuSE's firewall failed him.

I don't remember the exact firewall rules SuSE defualted on when I tried it, but they weren't good enough for me. This was SuSE 8.0 iirc. I have wanted to try recent SuSE, but the LiveCD failed to boot and corrupted my partition table and the "standard installation" still isn't available as a "install-from-ftp" option. I will report back my experiences with latest SuSE once this is possible!

On another note recent Mandrake has been the biggest a disappointment for me. All versions from the first beta to 10.0 official has failed to installed, corrupted and crashed on boot caused by different bugs.
The recent dists that has worked good out-of-the-box for me are: Linspire, Xandros, Fedora Core 2, Debian Sid and Gentoo.

The add user prompt has been in Linspire at least since 4.5.1xx (that's what I started with).
Same applies to the firewall.

I can set up all my hardware, including ACPI, self thank you. But I'm not interested in it anymore and I think that an OS of 2004 should do all this properly for me.
I agree that SuSE set up ACPI, as do the most dists... BUT, when I say "properly" I mean with all the functions my laptop came with and has working in Windows XP.
Ie Linspire is the ONLY dist that has done the ACPI function "sleep on lid close" for me.
The same applies to my touchpad - that has worked in every dist except mandrake 10... it WORKS but not with all features... again Linspire is the ONLY dist that has set up the "scroll" area on the right part of the touchpad.

You don't pay for the free software - you pay for the service of getting it with a simple and "error-free" interface (CNR). To me CNR is definately worth the ~13.5 cents a day it costs if you pay annually.

It's like when you buy a Knoppix boot CD for $5 - you pay for the serivce of getting it burned on a CD and sent to you - not for Knoppix itself.
How RPMs can be easier than CNR is beyond me. This claim suggests you have not tried CNR, but like to speak of it anyway.

Don't ever assume that I don't know what I talk about. You couldn't be farther from the truth. I have tried out Lindows, as well as a dozen other distros.

Sorry, but I have TOO hard of a time believing that.

Wrong. You pay for the free software. Tell me, is there any other way to install software on Linspire? NOPE! No more functionality with apt-get, no gcc compiler, no other way to do it. And the term error-free that you use is fundamentaly flawed, hence the reasons I just gave.

The difference is that I can still get knoppix off the net for free whether or not I buy a cd from them. Try that with Linspire.

i didn't think you would back up what you said. I figured it would be easy to remember what it did wrong, since Linspire did it so right. I'd seriously try to use a newer version than the one you tried. Novell has changed that distro into something incredible.

No it's not easy to remember firewall rules form 1-2 years ago, that I only encounterd quickly. Especially not since I'm not interested in dwelving down in such things. I just want it to work.
If you don't believe me having problems with the SuSE Live CD that's YOUR problem.
You're welcome to come here see for yourself...

Oh, and no - you DON'T pay for the software. You pay for the service. And exactly as you *can* download the knoppix iso yourself over a 56k modem and burn it, you can also download any linux software either in .deb, .rpm, autopackage or as source and install it manually. For those who want neither of this there is knoppix CD's for order as well as CNR for software installations.

Damn...I completely missed it when I was setting it up than. I was pretty pissed off when I reinstalled it the thrid time around, and was pretty impatient with the mouse clicks, so it wouldnt suprise me.

I picked up SuSe 9.0 for $45.00 at Best Buy, and with SuSe 9.1, I priced it at $89.00 at Best Buy, but I do not know if it has the same multiple disk set or not. At any rate, having those disks, and the option to simply open up Yast, and pick your software, instert the disk, and go from there. I would strongly suggest purchasing the product off the shelves rather than downloading. I timed out a few times while trying to download the eval edition.

I am sure with your background in Debian, you will be pleased to also know SuSe can handle all Debain utilities (even apt-get) while also doing the same with its mainstay RPM.

To say the least, I am completely overwhelmed and impressed with SuSe, and will continue to support the cause every version.