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03-05-2004, 05:27 PM
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Registered: Mar 2004
Location: No Man's Land
Distribution: Lindows, muLinux, DSL
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Originally posted by GreenerLinux
I've figured it out, Lindows users don't mind the prices because they have a skewed sense of free.
Supernova hase a basic membership of $19.95, unlimited membership for $34.95 and fees of $9.95 for game console backups. In what sense is this free?
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 That's why this statement exists "there is no such thing as a fee lunch" There is a cost to everything, nothing on earth is truly free even greenerlinux's offer to download the Lindow's ISO is not truly free. You've got to have an internet connection and the proper equipment, you've got to have the time to download etc, etc.
Non-the-less, if you already have acces to suprnova you can download it from them at no additional cost, there are other P2P sites that have it that don't charge membership fees as well
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Last edited by t.house; 03-05-2004 at 05:36 PM.
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03-05-2004, 09:30 PM
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#47
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Mar 2004
Location: twin cities mn
Distribution: lindows. fedora core
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why are you trying to start a flame war ? lindows is a good biz model . mandrake i think will finally get out of bankruptcy next year . red hat and mandrake both are going to just enterprise distributions . lindows is not rated by what you think but by how it conforms to the community.
it has survived court challenges and able to react to market situations and even has moved to world distribution . it supply's its source code and contributes to kde , wine and a whole host of other projects . its model is working and even with all that over head of being sued and embracing new technologies like bittorrent it still makes a small profit . the lindows c n r is away to add easy software packages for the new person . old timers like you know how to install from source and so the software is free to you anyway . apt-get works great and it will connect to the debian servers . a new person just wants good software and thats what c n r is all about . a subscription to cnr is well worth the measly money they even ask for . what ever you download even if you dont renew c n r you get it backed up on lindow servers to re download anytime you want . yes they do have links to commercial software as well . you can get it at such a discount that your little fee to cnr is paid back many fold . example star office 7. its about a 90- to 100 dollar down load from sun. they have it for 29 dollars for members . thats a legal copy with all rights . . please sir refrain from talking unless you really know about a company . people might think you believe everything on the net . we called people like you enquirer readers . . for the new person who is thinking about switching to Linux and those who switched but not really satisfied with the one you have . i think that you will find this a nice little distro . you can try it they have a 15 day try it before you buy it . as far as support i think the lindows people really have there act togthier on this as there is little howto movies that come with lindows as well as thier information bored offers same day posting 90 percent of the time back to the user with whatever they ask or need help with . a rich database to do your own research and if you need more than that they have email to engineers and if thats not enough they offer a small fee for phone support . i give lindows 5 stars for there product
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03-05-2004, 10:36 PM
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Registered: Aug 2003
Location: Olympia, WA
Distribution: Xandros, Libranet, Mandrake
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Originally posted by observer7
old timers like you know how to install from source and so the software is free to you anyway . apt-get works great and it will connect to the debian servers . a new person just wants good software and thats what c n r is all about . a subscription to cnr is well worth the measly money they even ask for.
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Actually I'm not an old-timer. Been a Linux user since last summer and I don't compile anything from source. I use Xandros Networks, the tool Lindows copied and calls CNR, or other apt tools like Synaptic. I too like the simple life. Email me and I'll send you a link to try Xandros yourself.
I'm not trying to start a flame war. I'm providing ISO files for people to download and try Lindows for themselves. I'm humored by the "enquirer reader" comment but confused by the "we." No one else has called me an enquirer reader and all of the prices and info I've posted about Lindows comes directly from their website or from my experience using the product. You've confirmed both the prices and the links to commercial products. In what way have I not done my homework?
I'm glad you think Lindows is great but how much time did you spend shopping around before commintting your money to Lindows, then to CNR, then to purchasing StarOffice? It makes me happy that Lindows provides a discount on Sun's office products, in some way it makes up a little for the other costs of ownership.
Please sir, go back and reread your statements before posting them. If you're defending Lindows you might want to spend a little more time typing about what makes it so great rather than ranting at forum members who have made valid reasons for not liking it. You might want to grab a dictionary and check your spelling on about half the words you typed as well.
Last edited by GreenerLinux; 03-05-2004 at 10:47 PM.
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03-05-2004, 10:43 PM
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Member
Registered: Aug 2003
Location: Olympia, WA
Distribution: Xandros, Libranet, Mandrake
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Originally posted by Kilgore76
So all in all he is doing better than you are, your out $90. Oh by the way he got all of his legally, through ChoicePC.com
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I've gone to www.choicepc.com but nowhere does it state that a person can get Lindows for free. Here's what it says though on http://www.choicepc.com/faqs.php#faq4 -
Exactly what will I get for my $US100?
A lot! First, you'll receive a lifetime license to every digital version of LindowsOS normally available for public release. This is an exclusive offer, not available anywhere else. You'll also receive a lifetime membership to the CNR Warehouse, the Lindows.com online software library that provides instant digital access to over 1,800 software applications. This membership normally costs $49.95 per year! Finally, you'll receive a "ChoicePC.com" T-shirt, recognition on the ChoicePC.com web site and a better night's sleep knowing that you've done your part to help defend choice on the PC desktop.
It should be noted that this site is intended for users outside the U.S. to combat Microsoft's evil plan to keep retailers from selling Linux and users from using it.
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03-05-2004, 10:50 PM
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#50
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Mar 2004
Location: twin cities mn
Distribution: lindows. fedora core
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i like testing different distros . i have fedora core mandrake knoxxpixx and a debian install as well as lindows , and white box . all of those id give lindows to a newbie for quality and ease of use. i tried Xandros and a few others but ever computer i put them on it wouldn't even boot . i could imagine the frustration a new person would go through ,so no i don't recommend Xandros to a newbie . just its more like a hobbyist distro . there a whole bunch of the others i wouldnt recommend as well . not just that one . i would if i was you not act like you were some one who's used linux for years . you are green at linux and untill you have studied a little more i dont see how you can even compare linux with each distro . your still a green horn
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03-05-2004, 11:05 PM
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Registered: Aug 2003
Location: Olympia, WA
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Originally posted by observer7
i would if i was you not act like you were some one who's used linux for years . you are green at linux and untill you have studied a little more i dont see how you can even compare linux with each distro . your still a green horn
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I've never acted like a seasoned Linux user, nor made any claim to have used Linux for years. In my latest post I stated that I've been using Linux since last summer. (thus the name GreenerLinux)
I've been able to install Xandros on every system I've ever tried it on and think that you really aren't one to throw out your wisdom on a distro you couldn't even get to boot.
I'm encouraging people to download the ISOs for Lindows so they can try it themselves. I want people to do this because I believe most will agree that it's overpriced. Should they choose to download Xandros as well, I think most will also find it a better distro.
Glad to know you're under the opinion that Xandros is a hobbyists' Linux. It makes a lot of sense coming from someone throwing out words of advice on a system they couldn't even get to work. You should probably keep that on the down-low so others will heed your advice. I really can't think of many who have found the distro difficult to install.
Last edited by GreenerLinux; 03-05-2004 at 11:07 PM.
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03-05-2004, 11:12 PM
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Member
Registered: Jan 2004
Location: Pinr Lake, GA
Distribution: Slackware, LinuxMint, FreeBSD, Xandros, CentOS, Fedora Core, RedHat, Chakra, etc etc
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I did not need to download a DVD codec for 4.95? Xine & Ogle play them just fine. You can always find codecs on the net anyways.
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03-05-2004, 11:18 PM
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#53
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Mar 2004
Location: twin cities mn
Distribution: lindows. fedora core
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im not going to rgue with you . just like there are great distros like lindows its also there are really trashy distros to like xandross but hey letting them test lindows and then yours is a good idea . just i dont know how you will take it . when they laughe you into the street . my condolinces to you . i have a ypuger brothier like you . we call him special . so this is the last of it special green horn . i think if they put a little money in to xandross maybe they can get it out of testing ?
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03-05-2004, 11:22 PM
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Location: Olympia, WA
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Originally posted by beatupbilly
You can always find codecs on the net anyways.
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CNR should give full access to all compatible packages and they should be installable without needing to go elsewhere. If you choose to use CNR you will need to pay $4.95 member price for the codecs.
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03-05-2004, 11:33 PM
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Location: Olympia, WA
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Originally posted by observer7
i have a ypuger brothier like you . we call him special .
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I didn't make any attempt to insult you and won't waste my time doing it now. Most Deb based distros use the testing (Sarge) version, Libranet and Knoppix for example. This doesn't mean they're in a "testing" stage.
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03-06-2004, 12:20 AM
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#56
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Mar 2004
Location: No Man's Land
Distribution: Lindows, muLinux, DSL
Posts: 20
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Originally posted by GreenerLinux
Most Deb based distros use the testing (Sarge) version, Libranet and Knoppix for example. This doesn't mean they're in a "testing" stage.
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Lindows too, is sarge based
On another note
Can we tone it down a wee bit. I like a good debate too, but name calling is way out of line.
Besides I left my flame retardent vest at the office 
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03-06-2004, 12:44 AM
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#57
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Mar 2004
Location: twin cities mn
Distribution: lindows. fedora core
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yes we can . 
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03-06-2004, 03:17 PM
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I first read this thread a couple of days ago when it was much shorter.
You know, there really is no such thing as click and drool, no matter how cool it sounds when being used to insult someone. Any software out there is completely incomprehensible to someone if they lack just enough experience with computers and their use.
It can be usefull to have software that needs little or no time to get up into a productive state. Hmm, productive state, you mean people actually produce something tangible with these boxes?
I sort of agree with Greenerlinux. But,if I need to throw together a box and if I'm going to spend $100 or more on the os I'll just get the XP Home or Pro from the same e-tailer where I bought the hardware. The hardware support is just too easy. Having said that, I see no personal need in the immediate future to buy any hardware that the manufacturer doesn't provide open sourced Linux drivers for.
Of course when I first saw this thread I was attempting my first Gentoo install on my laptop, from stage 1, so I had a lot of spare time. Somehow grub got a segmentation fault. No problem, I just continued the install and used the grub cli to boot( installed from a Knoppix live cd boot). The kernel panicked!!! Guess my problem was bigger than just grub. That took about 12 hours. Threw the FC1.09 disks in and had a running 2.6 macine in about 40 mins. Some things are just easier and take less time than others.
Unfortunately I need more room on my laptop to run Premier. I actually get tangible results from its use. So the laptop is temporarily without. Linux, that is.
I really like this site. It has provided lots of help in getting me into using Linux. You guys just need to find your sense of humor. Life is too short to be so stressed.
Wasn't it Lindows who was helping people get their money back for unused MS product?
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03-06-2004, 06:15 PM
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Spotsylvania, VA
Distribution: LindowsOS
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Originally posted by flysideways
Wasn't it Lindows who was helping people get their money back for unused MS product?
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Yeah, they did it through ChoicePC.com until MS sued them over the settlement process and made them stop - so they just ate the costs of that one.
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