I think I remember seeing it, but I decided to hold on to it and see what I could do with it. Now, it could possibly act as a segway into Debian, as soon as I can get my hands on a copy. From having only a 33.6 connection at the moment, and the .debs for my ISP and my "big" computer, that tops out at 56K, it may just be easier to get the more-featureful Debian vs. going to Linspire Five-O. ...now if only I could find somewhere fairly close by that carries Debian...

...that and I was having some luck at the time with WINe on Mandy 9. ...but Mandy for me was proving to be a disaster.

Did you check the Debian official website ? (debian.org)
They should have a list of CD vendors that carry the Debian CD's and/or DVD's

I've bought the Sarge DVD just recently for a local store here in Belgium.
The only downside is that the software is obsolete soon (so I mostly use the netinstaller to install Debian on a system).

I've ordered a copy of Sarge from 1010101.biz, a direct link from Get Debian. Maybe about Friday or so, I'll have my desktop with Debian on it.

i usually use edmunds-enterprises.com to get my "fix"

Cloudy, all his posts here are like that It's how I read them too lol

CNR costs money correct? So if I state "CNR costs money and I do not think it is worth it" how is that complaining? It is stating a opinion the same as saying "CNR costs money and I think it is worth every penny plus some"!! Why should someone who is thinking about trying this distro be informed of one persons opinion and not another? Oh, just because the latter is "positive" whereas mine is a negative? Yes, certainly we shouldn't mention negatives we should just let people spend money and then wonder why someone didn't inform them of the negatives along with the positives. I mean if we are ONLY allowed to post positives then why bother with a forum? Just have a big sign in each distros forum that say "this distro is the best and is GGRREEAAATTT! and there is nothing negative to say" then we could dispense with me mentioning negatives and you'll attacking me simply because I choose to state those instead of waving my pom-poms!

Well AFAIK the discussion wasn't about CNR costing money. You made a post stating that Linspire changes a lot all the time and you gave some examples. I just tried to correct some thing I thought were wrong (like : "we offer a lifetime membership, we dont offer a lifetime mebership" and I just stated that they never said the Lifetime memberships were gonna be available for a long time, BUT the ones who have one (I'm one of them) still have that Lifetime membership). And for some others I gave MY personal opinion. (We can discuss forever about the benefits and negative points of CNR and it's costing money but at the end it's just our personal opinion). I also don't think a possible customer/user should be told nothing but positive points but the truth is that for most of the Linspire users CNR is woth the money. But when someone asks me about what distro should fit him/her better I definetly not always tell them Linspire is the best distro (since that depends on the persons knowledge of Linux, what he/she wants, and a lot of other personal things).
So I'm not trying to say that you should not give people your opinion but you should also repect the opinion of other people and the problem here is (IMHO) you make almost all negative posts about Linspire so obviously people see you as a Linspire hater so all posts you make are automatically seen as negative and sometimes even as bashing (this is also enhanced by the fact that it's easier to misunderstand a person on a forum then when he/she is standing face to face where you can also see the body language and other stuff).

Oh, and P.S.
I think most Linux user think their Distro is the best and all the others are bad (I've seen this on many forums on many diffrent distro's) It's a part of the Linux community I guess and I feel that as long as people keep bashing other distro's about small stupid things (they all run the same kernel and offer almost the same software anyways) Linux is not gonna be a popular alternative for Windows.
Just go into a forum and ask "Hey wat is a good distro for me" when you get answers like "use RedHat it's great", "No RedHat Sucks you should use Debian GNU/linux", "No Debian and RedHat are bad you should get Slackware" ... you are gonna run back to Windows faster then you can say GNU/Linux.

So I dont respect others opinions? Please do tell how I have attacked others opinions and statements? If I make a statement and someone attacks me then I defend myself and nothing else....

So you don't think you should tell anything negative about a distro someone is asking about? Do you not warn people when they are about to drive over a cliff either? too funny... Cloudy I did respect your opinion but now I see you shaking your blue/green pom poms also....

How about that freespire name huh? Ironic that a distro that is sued because their name causes confusion now asks someone to change their distros name because it causes confusion huh....

Dont worry XavierP I am outta here, WAAAYYY too deep in here. I hope Linspire provides you with plenty of funding for this forum with all the pompom waving that goes on and since you arent suppose to say ANYTHING negative at all...

You wont see me anymore.... Yeeeaaaaa Teeeaaammm! (waves green/blue pom poms)

ps - i dont think MY distro rocks and yours sucks! Have you ever seen me state ANYTHING along these lines...NO! I find good things about all and bad things about all and state all of it.... I think people should know the good and bad of every distro and the negative things I point out about lin----e are the very things I see others complain about and that I do not like about the distro......

jaketate, there's nothing wrong with mentioning downsides to a distro. As of this posting, you have 113 posts on LinuxQuestions, and they're almost all in the Linspire forum. The one that isn't in the Linspire forum is still about Linspire.

I haven't read through all 113 posts, but from what I have read, it sounds as if you have absolutely nothing good to say about Linspire, nothing at all.

I find this behavior odd. First of all, people are generally receptive to criticism if they feel it's given in a good spirit and that it will come with some praise as well. Secondly, why do you spend all of your energy on LQ putting down a distro?

Well, you're entitled to do what you want, but if you're going to spend 100% of your time on a forum being negative, then don't expect to have Linspire users embrace you with open arms.

jaketate,

Ummmm once again, jake, you haven't researched your subject. And I think your petulant attitude towards Cloudy is rather bad mannered too - he is a real gentleman, btw, who knows his subject backwards, and is one of the moderators on the Linspire Forum which tries very hard to help people with genuine complaints.

Different distros
Few Linux users would disagree that all distros have good and bad points, and that some distros are better than others at specific tasks.

Example. I have spent hours with the Agnula project (I am a retired sound engineer amongst other things) and finally gave it away. I use Linspire 5.0 now for my extensive digitising project converting many hours of cassette tape music and speech, of which the original masters died long ago. No, I'm not bootlegging them. I'm doing it "free" (as in beer) for the copyright owners (the original composers and musicians) using "free" as in source software.

I don't only run Linspire. Check my signature. I actually use Sun's Java Desktop System version 2 - dated because it is based on SuSE 8.1 - but it is a good and stable distro that runs on low-end machines nicely. So, incidentally does Lindows (pre-Linspire) 4.5 and SuSE 9.1

I also run SuSE 9.2 and 9.3 - currently just for evaluation. But also to compare the beta testing of Linspire that I do. I'm not a beta tester for Sun and I look forward to their release of JDS version 3 which is imminent.

Please notice that all the distros I am using for one purpose or another are commercial ones. The source on all of them is freely available - JDS has just become open source, although Sun hasn't actually published it. But Novell = who have owned SuSE since 9.2 - recently stated it is intending to release YaST as open source.

What's your gripe, man? If it were not for the billions that the corporate sector pours into Linux, you very likely wouldn't have whatever is the best and greatest in your eyes.

Now...
Freespire
Freespire was never a competing product. Go read about it. We among the Linspire insiders have follwed this private project with great interest. It was fully supported by Linspire management. But someone "leaked" the project to the media who listed it. The huge volume of interest by people like yourself who don't want to pay anything for anything is probably what killed this essentially private project.

Do a google search. That way I won't get into trouble posting pages that are confidential. Start here

As you can see Linspire backed the project to such an extent that they offered free downloads of their current version 5.0 Operating System (which carries a free introductory copy of CNR by the way). The huge demand on server bandwidth actually has inconvenienced ordinary joes like me from accessing their server at times. That is hardly Linspire "doing a Microsoft".

Oh by the way the free download is now finished. You probably missed out. Tough.

The name change was decided by the guy whose project it is, it was not Linspire's "requirement".

What is/was Freespire? Quite simply the Linspire source code that the likes of you says isn't available, but which has always been available on Linspire's website for anybody who wanted to access it.

So again, I would suggest, with respect, that you get your facts right before opening your mouth.

Yeah

And I also chose to buy a lifetime membership to support a struggling company fighting the great monolith.

Many of us did - some 2,500 I think. I think the names are still up there at the choicepc.com website.

My choice. And everybody else's choice

I'm not stating you don't respect other people's opinion, just that your constant negative posts about Linspire make people think you're a Linspire hater/basher.
You don't see me going into a RedHat forum and posting to (almost) every post about how bad I think RedHat is (or even Windows in a windows forum).

Sure you can say as much negative things as you want (if it's a valid point). If you read my previous post on other subjets and some of my post on the Linspire forums you will see I don't always agree with Linspire (or what they decide) and I also advise some people to use a diffrent distro (like plain Debian GNU/Linux) I'm a Debian SID user if you didn't notice, I don't even run Linspire at home anymore so why am I a Linspire cheerleader ??
Linspire is a good distro for a lot of people but certainly not for everybody and I NEVER stated that and I NEVER said people can't say negative things about it (but try to keep it constructive, since posts like the ones I saw at the Linspire forums (like "Linspire Sucks") are NOT constructive and don't even give a personal opinion WHY this person thinks it's a bad distro.

I didn't follow the Freespire discussion, but I do know that the one who started it is a valued and respected member of the Linspire community, he was trying to bring people a free version of Linspire but then without the proprietary stuff and AFAIK he was only informed that some things in his distro were still non-GPL (like the spoken tutorials that he still had in his distro). I don't know if he was "forced" or "asked" to change the name of the distro.

eagles-lair thanks for the short explenation on FreeSpire.
I folowed it in the beginning (when he announced it as a private project in the Insiders forum) but after the first few posts I stoped following all discussions about it (not because I think it's a bad project though).

Not much good to say.... Am I required to have some good things to say? I have said it is pretty.Sorry thats about as much praise as I can come up with! Wait, I have also said that if it works for you then it usually works very well, but if it doesnt then chances are no amount of tweaking will ever get it working right, unlike most distros. Oh, and no embrace is neccessary, just stop attacking me because I choose to state the negatives. I think everyone is is raving about how good it is so I think I should add in that it comes with negatives as well.

Really! I followed it fairly well. YOU are the one adding words and changing words to what I said.

People that post statements like this have no clue about open source...really!


I never said it was. It was a different product. Li----e with all the proprietary stuff removed is what it tried to be.

Now who is attacking who? Who is saying slanderous things about me? Who is being petulent? So I am the reason it is gone huh... yea ok...

SLipping in some advertising are we? I wouldnt say they backed it, I would say they took advantage of the popularity and attention to sell something in hopes of future profits. I noticed they didnt offer this until AFTER the name was changed and then they use the very name that they made the fellow change...ironic or just plain cruel???

Whoa, adding in some words are we? I didnt say it was a requirement did I? Huh? No I said they asked him, which asking would imply some concern. And the reason he was asked to change was due to confusion, correct? Confusion that it was a "free" li----e! Which is the same reason the microsoft sued lind--s was due to name confusion. Correct?

Attacking me again are we. No, I said they do not include the source code in the box product and they do not include the written offer, one of those requirements MUST be met according to the GPL. Providing JUST a ftp site is not enough. KC himself and the L website said you recieve the source code in the same manner you receive the product, so how do I click and order the source because THAT is the same manner I received the product. I wont get into the GPL discussion with you'll again since I went thru 20plus pages and you'll still could not seem to wrap your heads around it and instead just took turn jabbing at me. Especially considering I didn't start the thread.... I ask you to do this then, look on your CD and tell me if the GPL is on there? Look on the CNRexpress or LinspireExtras CD and tell me if the GPL is on there? I could go on but I wont bother....

OWWW OWWW I am being attacked OWWW