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02-19-2004, 10:29 AM
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LQ Guru
Registered: Jan 2001
Posts: 24,149
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Re: Re: Re: Linux Users are not the target market
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Originally posted by Warg
I didn't try to "bash" Lindows. I just pointed out that if there's no other special intention, the authors are trying to convert every Windows user to Linux by ANY possible means, wtihout considering that there are a lot of people who deserve (and need) nothing more than Windows, which is harmful for the community. I didn't find a better place to state this.
And by the way, there was at least some constructive criticism in my last post.
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I wasn't pointing any one person out. We just need to start getting technical now. If members got questions on a technical level regarding Lindows, ask away. Anything else either browse to www.lindows.com or search the web to come up with your own opinion or aspect of what you think about Lindows.
Thanks.
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02-21-2004, 10:11 PM
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#17
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Member
Registered: May 2002
Location: Orlando
Distribution: Linspire 5.0
Posts: 82
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The only things I want to point out is that I don't agree with is the Click N Run in which you have to pay monthly or yearly to use. Like any company that wants to make money and that is ok, I feel that is just utterly wrong to make others pay for software that is already free, etc. It might be easy but you have to think most already paid for the distro, why would they need to pay for updates per se on their system.
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Actually I don't think the yearly/monthly fee is just for the free software - it is for the convenience of just clicking and having the software automatically installed and not having to use tarballs, apt-get, etc, which the average window users not only does not want to use - he doesn't know how and doesn't want to learn. He just wants a system that works and you don't have to mortgage your house to pay for.
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02-21-2004, 10:26 PM
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#18
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LQ Guru
Registered: Jan 2001
Posts: 24,149
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Quote:
Originally posted by PapaNoHair
Actually I don't think the yearly/monthly fee is just for the free software - it is for the convenience of just clicking and having the software automatically installed and not having to use tarballs, apt-get, etc, which the average window users not only does not want to use - he doesn't know how and doesn't want to learn. He just wants a system that works and you don't have to mortgage your house to pay for.
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I know its not that your paying for free software but your paying for the ease of use, but click n run to me is called.. apt-get.. but instead GUI based.. That to me is like Microsoft making users pay for GUI installations cause its easier that way. Oh well..
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02-21-2004, 10:42 PM
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#19
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Member
Registered: May 2002
Location: Orlando
Distribution: Linspire 5.0
Posts: 82
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I know its not that your paying for free software but your paying for the ease of use, but click n run to me is called.. apt-get.. but instead GUI based.. That to me is like Microsoft making users pay for GUI installations cause its easier that way. Oh well..
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You are right - that would not be very practical for a person who likes to tweak his own system, apt-get would be better. But for someone who doesn't want to bother with all that........Besides - I tried different Debian systems and for some reason it would run my x window system correctly. With Lindows it works perfectly.
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02-23-2004, 01:52 PM
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#20
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Grimstad, Norway
Distribution: Lindows developers ed. 4.5
Posts: 5
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Well, I have a problem!
I downloaded Lindows Devel. 4.5 and made a ISO from it. Then i burned it and then i restarted my PC. When the Lindows install bootscreen came up I could choose between: 1.install and 2.Diagnosis...
I tried to run the install but then, nothing happend.... it just stood; Please wait... Then i tried the diagnosis thingy, and there it came up that it had some problems finding my HDD... hda 1 and so on... just stood error finding hda _....
My expirienced brother told me that i had to do somethin in the BIOS, but said to me that i had to find out how, and what on my own...
so, my question is, WHAT do i do?
I have 4 partitions, and one I made to a FAT32 to install Lindows on... the other partitions are NTFS... HEEELP! PLZ!
PS! i know i'm a NOOB! 
Last edited by ExiLe; 02-23-2004 at 01:55 PM.
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02-23-2004, 02:25 PM
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#21
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Feb 2004
Distribution: anything Debian ;)
Posts: 28
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Try burning a new disk... if there was a problem durring the burn it can keep the install from progressing.
How old is your machine?
And this is a long shot, but test your RAM. I've had other Linux installs sit forever, only to find out that one of my RAM sticks was no good... Windows hardly noticed, but Linux wouldn't let it slide...
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02-23-2004, 02:46 PM
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#22
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LindowsOS Community Liaison
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: San Diego, CA
Distribution: Linspire
Posts: 23
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Quote:
Originally posted by nube
Try burning a new disk... if there was a problem durring the burn it can keep the install from progressing.
How old is your machine?
And this is a long shot, but test your RAM. I've had other Linux installs sit forever, only to find out that one of my RAM sticks was no good... Windows hardly noticed, but Linux wouldn't let it slide...
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Excellent advice! If you do reburn one -- try burning at a slower speed. And, for testing your memory you can go to http://www.memtest86.com.
If neither of those help, can you tell us more about your hardware?
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02-23-2004, 03:45 PM
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#23
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Grimstad, Norway
Distribution: Lindows developers ed. 4.5
Posts: 5
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well it was not my memory...
I have :
XP 2500+ (barton) overclocked to 3200+
Abit, NF7
2x256 400 DDR-RAM
Geforce 4 Ti4200 v8240
WD (jb)120 gb
well i'll try to burn it again, but u don't think it got anything to do with my HDD / partitions? hda and so on...?
As i said i made an extra partition (FAT32), to install Lindows on to that one... well thnx for the help!
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02-23-2004, 04:32 PM
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#24
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Grimstad, Norway
Distribution: Lindows developers ed. 4.5
Posts: 5
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well tried again; with a newly burned disk! and in the diagnostics this came up!:
unsupported command in request queue (0) end_request
ide scsi error dev 16:40 (hdd) +sector 0 sector 2 sector 4 sector 6
cdrom : open failed
WARNING CD search failed, set FOUND_CDROM and exit
well that was my error message.. now! can anyone help me?
thnx! i appriciate it!
Last edited by ExiLe; 02-23-2004 at 04:33 PM.
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02-23-2004, 04:39 PM
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#25
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Member
Registered: Aug 2003
Location: Arlington Heights, IL USA
Distribution: Fedora Core 1 & WinXP Pro & Gentoo 1.4 & Arch Linux
Posts: 558
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I wonder what would happen if you cleared the hard drive (made free space) for the install and see if it detects the hdd with free space?? If its looking for space available to install to and if your hard drive is already partitioned and formated with FAT32,NTFS etc then it might be hanging up on trying to find free space to install to.
rberry88
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02-23-2004, 04:52 PM
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#26
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Grimstad, Norway
Distribution: Lindows developers ed. 4.5
Posts: 5
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well tried that too, didn't work though...
any other suggestions??? hehe
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02-23-2004, 05:08 PM
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#27
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Feb 2004
Distribution: anything Debian ;)
Posts: 28
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Maybe delete the FAT partition and create an ext3 instead..?
I don't know why that would be a problem, but it's worth a shot.
How are you burning the ISO? What software/method ?
If all else fails, contact Lindows support and tell them you need to re-download the ISO... sometimes the file comes through corrupt while downloading...
You might also want to drop the OC until after the install, then re-juice the chip...
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02-23-2004, 06:58 PM
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LindowsOS Community Liaison
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: San Diego, CA
Distribution: Linspire
Posts: 23
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Quote:
Originally posted by nube
Maybe delete the FAT partition and create an ext3 instead..?
I don't know why that would be a problem, but it's worth a shot.
How are you burning the ISO? What software/method ?
If all else fails, contact Lindows support and tell them you need to re-download the ISO... sometimes the file comes through corrupt while downloading...
You might also want to drop the OC until after the install, then re-juice the chip...
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No, the Fat32 partition is the one you want.... LindowsOS will format it as ReiserFS. My guess would be that something is going on with the CD-ROM. I have seen this before.... certain CD drives have difficulty with the installation. Do you have another CD-drive that you can swap in there?
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02-24-2004, 05:07 AM
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#29
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Grimstad, Norway
Distribution: Lindows developers ed. 4.5
Posts: 5
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Yes, it worked. Something with my cdrom... plugged the burner out and installed it with my DVD rom..
well thnx for the Help!
, but now I have a nother question 4 u:
-Does Lindows have already innstalled drivers for my D-Link DWL-g520 WLan card? cuz when I ran the cool looking tour ,  , It said that Lindows was optimized for Wlan... but after I went into the control panel and configured the WLan it didn't work...
AND I KNOW i did it right! 
if not i'll just find some drivers on the net and burn them on to a disk...
again thnx for your help!
greets Exile
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02-28-2004, 09:42 AM
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#30
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Jun 2001
Location: Germany
Distribution: siduction, antiX, LXLE, Kubuntu
Posts: 25
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I do agree with lindowskendall to that LindowsOS is not mainly targeted to other linux users, it is a linux that wants to be as easy to use/to understand for total newbies and windows users as windows appears to them (well - I know what I mean  )...
Nevertheless - no other distro was that hard to install for me as LindowsOS 4.5: on my one computer it does not like my scsi cdrom so I cannot install, on my other computer I had troubles installing because of my nvidia graphics card (managed the latter but only with "linux-knowledge"). And assuming I'm a total newbie - how on earth can I teach LindowsOS to use my Elsa microlink modem...
Once it is installed I guess it is a very nice environment for beginners (have you seen/heard the really great tutorials?) because nearly everything behaves the way you expect it if you come from the windows front.
There are many possible steps which may lead to more linux acceptance on the desktop - IMHO LindowsOS is one of that steps into the right direction, so don't blame on the users, developers and the company for using, creating and selling a product a little bit different.
LindowsOS doesn't do everything the "linux way" but maybe exactly that is what some users need.
As I mentioned in another thread I don't want to use LindowsOS as my main working system because I like to have a little more control over what the system does (that's why I said goodbye to windows) - but everyone should be able to choose the distro best fitting his/her needs. 
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