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Old 06-20-2007, 05:32 PM   #1
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Miscellaneous Grafpup 2 bugs and suggestions


Miscellaneous bugs and suggestions.
I might submit them to the bug reporter when I have time (we're in the middle of exams).
Maybe I should have tested the beta
Read the suggestions as well, as many of them are really bugs, just minor ones.
First impressions: Grafpup 2 looks pretty anyway , but is nowhere near as reliable or bug free as 1.04. If a couple of minor issues with LXpanel are sorted I would actually not insist on switching to JWM, even though it is faster and simpler, and I do love being able to roll my mouse wheel on the taskbar to change volume...
It boots faster than Puppy 2.13 for me, but runs slower, and way way slower than Grafpup 1.04. I guess this is mainly the fault of Openbox and ROX and gtk and the themes.
MUT is wonderfully fast, but Pmount painfully slow - maybe it will be faster next time as Barry is working on it.
Its amazing how little forum traffic there's been considering the number of downloads

Bugs:
-I have to remove a # from /etc/profile line 183 for it to log in automatically with a frugal install, OR comment out lines 182 and 184 as well as 183.
-The printer setup wizard doesn't work - I get the "Usage for XDialogue" instead of the list of printers.
-some or all of the icons don't show up in the lxpanel menu, and then when you refresh the icons or restart lxpanel, blinky and freememapplet disappear. --EDIT-- It seems that if I restart X all the icons always work - as if when it initially starts something is in a hurry and doesn't wait for something else to finish.
-/etc/xdg/rox.sourceforge.net/OpenWith should point to /usr/local/apps/Utility/PupZip.
-The gnumeric.desktop that comes with the gnumeric package has: Exec=gnumeric %F but the %F gives errors.
-Changing the default number of sheets in gnumeric to 1 doesn't work unless you first change it to something larger than 3 first - I guess this is a gnumeric bug
-I downloaded and installed gnumeric locally and for some reason the goffice package shows up as "gonice-0.2.1" in gpkgtool - is this a bug in the package or the way gpkgtool handles locally downloaded files or something?
-/usr/local/bin needs to be changed to execute abiword instead of the non-existent Ted
-dotpups wanting to put things in folders that already exist(eg the mini-icons folder) can't - it complains about them wanting to overwrite the folder.
-In abiword neither the page size nor the default language will stick --- EDIT --- They seem to be determined by the system locale - I changed to Australia, and now they are A4 and Australian English - unfortunately the downloader for the locales does not seem to work.
-glade doesn't have a menu icon.

Not really bugs/sort of for my own reference:
-the manconv command mentioned in the development documentation doesn't seem to work - it says "ls: *.: No such file or directory". If it was there it would be quite helpful (yes I know I can use man2html manually).
-I have a fortemedia fm801 soundcard that I acquired from somewhere, that works happily in Grafpup 104 (although I have to change the default mixer levels or it is quite distorted). It installs fine, but there is no sound - I'll have to look for info for troubleshooting sound when I have time. I think it is the same with some versions of Puppy 2.x.

Suggestions/Queries:
-The "open with" menu has everything twice - I guess because /usr/etc is a link to /etc, but couldn't we hack ROX to only use one of the two locations that are actually the same place?
-the openbox root menu doesn't automatically include programs I install that do show up in the lxpanel menu. That seems kind of pointless. Also can we get icons in it? (not important at all). I would have thought there'd be a way to get it to just use the lxpanel menu?
-Gxine won't play .flv files. In Grafpup 104, if I install Tempestuous' Mplayer dotpup, then both Mplayer and Gxine play flv, but it is not using a windows dll or anything, so I'm guessing that there is a ffmpeg compile option. --EDIT-- Gxine in Puppy 2.16 plays .flv (it also has the codecs for wmv - I guess Nathan left them out deliberately)
-is it possible to make MUT minimise to the tray like in Grafpup 104?
-How do we know what .pet and .pup files we've installed, and can we uninstall them?
-It would be good to have the name of the browser rather than Browse in the open with menu, but I realise this is probably because the build scripts have to work with all the versions.
-It would be a lot better if the openoffice squashfile actually showed up on the desktop or in the menu.
-Is it possible to bind the windows key to the LXpanel menu?
-What is the point in Opera being on the taskbar like a normal program, AND in the tray? - is it there so it can give mail notifications or something?
-Would anybody actually care if the extra icon themes were taken out of the openoffice squashfile?
-Would it not be good to have packages like Gnumeric come with a ROXapp? Or is it not worth doing?
-There should really be a gxine roxapp and openwith entry (BTW the gxine icon is awful - I got myself a good one from Ubuntu)
-Can lxpanel swallow applications?
-Gpkgtool does not install packages from a directory with a space in the path - I know people say not to use spaces in linux, and I know its not a Grafpup problem per se, but surely it wouldn't be that hard to make it do so?

Last edited by disciplepup; 06-25-2007 at 04:53 AM.
 
Old 06-27-2007, 01:24 AM   #2
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I would add one suggestion, having agreed with your remarks.

Could the Print Screen button be bound to the snapshot application, like is done in a number of other operating systems? It isn't a Windows-specific thing.

I also am hoping to have a response to how to install the LinNeighborhood application which I feel ought to be packaged with the distribution. Many people use it all the time. I wrote about this in another thread and it got half an answer

Richard in Adelaide,
South Australia

PS...

Regarding MUT - which I greatly prefer for several reasons to the nicer looking pmount, if someone would publish how to change the font size I would be appreciative. My eyesight is such that at a decent resolution (1280x1024 at least) even on a 19inch screen it is too small to read.

In all seriousness I have tried using a magnifying glass

Richard

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Old 06-27-2007, 01:07 PM   #3
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Mut is written in TCL/TK, of which I know very little about. I intend to do some work on pmount myself to try and speed it up a bit, and perhaps make some things more logical. Right now it rescans all drives when you mount or unmount one, which makes for a big slowdown. This is just a matter of approach which can be changed a bit to suit I am sure.

I have to mention at this point that I can't possibly reply to everything, so please be patient with me. I do try to listen, and a lot of comments will end up being things that do go right into the distro evenetually. The first post of this thread was long enough, please don't make it any hardr for me to sort through everything

Nathan
 
Old 06-27-2007, 05:23 PM   #4
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eagles-lair
Regarding MUT - which I greatly prefer for several reasons to the nicer looking pmount, if someone would publish how to change the font size I would be appreciative. My eyesight is such that at a decent resolution (1280x1024 at least) even on a 19inch screen it is too small to read.

In all seriousness I have tried using a magnifying glass

Richard
Hi Richard, I had the same problem so contacted Jesse who very kindly sent me the following reply:

Hi Mike
You can edit the Mut program directly, edit /usr/lib/mut/mut.tcl
Find the function set_box_trigger
change
set y2 [expr "11 + $y1"]
set x2 [expr "$x1 + $width"]
to
set y2 [expr "17 + $y1"]
set x2 [expr "$x1 + ($width * 1.15)"]

and
Helvetica -10 bold
to
Helvetica -15 bold

and you're on your way
It is an interpreted program, no compile step, just save your changes and run it.
Hope that helps,
Jesse


I tracked the starting point to line 1214, (I did not realise there was a search function in Leafpad, it was the first time I had tried altering a script, apart from grub.) I just changed various bits that looked likely until I had it how I wanted it. Unfortunately, I forgot to make a copy and lost it when I wiped the partition to install something else. Must re-do it as I much prefer MUT to Pmount.

Cheers, Mike
 
Old 06-27-2007, 07:24 PM   #5
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Thanks, both of you.

Ooops, I didn't mean the "half an answer" as a criticism... sorry if it came out that way

I was hoping someone else would be able to pick it up like Mike did over mut.

I'll look at mut again in a day or so re changing that config file; I'm busy with real life stuff right now, lol

Maybe it would be good to create a hints and tips section on these forums? Then perhaps we could put it (and any others) in there.

Richard

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Old 06-27-2007, 11:54 PM   #6
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Sorry for the length of the post Nathan - I just thought it would be most helpful to point out everything I could see. Good work by the way.

One more thing: the tooltip you see if you hover your mouse over the Openoffice roxapp says it is version 2.0.1 still. BTW it's nice to see someone using ROXapps like they were intended to be used.

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