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Old 04-19-2017, 02:58 AM   #1
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is gentoo systemd free will it stay that way ?


It seems that slackware is unsure about staying free of systemd
IF slackware dose go systemd I'm jumping ship
can I come here
 
Old 04-19-2017, 04:05 AM   #2
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I Understand Gentoo as follows : There is no 'official' software, only recommended (and default) software.
I personnaly use systemd under Gentoo, but I don't see any push to change the defaults.
 
Old 04-19-2017, 04:11 AM   #3
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Yes, at least, for the foreseeable future. I am in that wagon as well.

Gentoo, as a distro, has a broad user base and a wide range of supported architectures, and many people use them for embedded stuff. Eliminating the possibility to run without systemd (or dbus, or *kits, or udev, or pulse, or whatever else) would go against the whole point of Gentoo.

An entirely different matter is what the different upstreams will do about systemd. I have no idea of the current status of Gnome. As for KDE, I am fairly sure you can run it without systemd these days (wayland became mandatory for kwin, though). For how long: I can't really say. Different projects (mainly, desktops) might start requiring it at some point, and there's nothing Gentoo can do about that.

Not that it worries me. I wouldn't even know how to use the gnome or kde paradigms these days to start with
 
Old 04-19-2017, 06:19 AM   #4
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Hi i92guboj; thanks for all your generous contributions!
Minor fyi: your .sig is '404'; now here (I think)
Do you (personally) use any GUI on your (Gentoo) PC? (just curious)
 
Old 04-19-2017, 08:32 AM   #5
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Hi i92guboj; thanks for all your generous contributions!
Minor fyi: your .sig is '404'; now here (I think)
Hi and thank you! You are right. It's probably broken in a couple more forums so I'll go check that ASAP. In a few minutes, when I figure out how to reach my profile, I will fix it here hehe!

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Do you (personally) use any GUI on your (Gentoo) PC? (just curious)
Well, I do use X, if that's what you mean. I am not a framebuffer zealot, though I do most of my work with text-based applications, for the only reason that I am more profficient that way. I have no problem using GUI apps where they make sense.

I've used fvwm and xmonad for quite some time, probably for more than a decade (well, xmonad is youger than that, but I've used fvwm since at least 1999-2000). Since like 5 years ago, I've been using openbox because it's easy to maintain and I don't have to keep tuning it every five days or so to keep my application behavior consistent. It's not as powerful as the two former ones, but it's configurable enough and I can still resort to python or bash plus wmctrl for some other things, which is a more portable solution. I also grew tired of fvwm bugs that've been there for ages.

My main interest nowadays is to keep configs portable so I can move from one physical device to any other where I can compile Gentoo and I found that openbox + tmux is a good combo for most things. So, yes, I use a graphical environment, even if it's only a convenient way to handle multiple terminal instances running and having a modern browser which has become almost mandatory.

As for the rest of pieces, I just use whatever is available and works best at the moment. For example, when I need to graphically browse my files (photos, for example) I use dolphin, because the rest of available file browsers at this moment don't seem to be able to show thumbs above 128pix, which, for an actual monitor, is just tiny and useless. I use xfce4-panel and also xfce4-session, blueman and connman for a network manager.

I try to stay away from solutions that are complex and potentially tied to any particular desktop, systemd or pulseaudio. I also try to use pieces that can be easily recycled in a non-traumatic way. I am far past the phase where you like to experiment with a new desktop env each week. If, let's say, tomorrow, I had to ditch openbox and use kwin, fvwm, caja or awesome I could do so just by changing a single line in my .xinitrc file, and my autostart scripts would do the rest for me (except for porting my keybindings to the new wm speech, that's about it )

That reminds me that maybe I should start working on porting my bindings to xbindkeys or something :P

Not to go out of the topic completely hehe, I'd say that this kind of setup is more likely to survive for a long time on a systemd-less land.

As said above, I know that today you can run kde without systemd. But I can't promise you will be able to do so next week. That goes also for mastodontic hardware manglers, such as bluedevil or networkmanager. So it's better for me to stay away from them. I just don't have the time to learn a new toy every two months.
 
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Old 04-19-2017, 04:02 PM   #6
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An entirely different matter is what the different upstreams will do about systemd. I have no idea of the current status of Gnome. As for KDE, I am fairly sure you can run it without systemd these days (wayland became mandatory for kwin, though). For how long: I can't really say. Different projects (mainly, desktops) might start requiring it at some point, and there's nothing Gentoo can do about that.
Don't know about GNOME systemd requirements (wouldn't be surprised if the following applies too), but for kde (specifically kwin) the only requirement is the logind d-bus interface. Which could be provided by https://github.com/wingo/elogind
 
Old 04-21-2017, 01:41 AM   #7
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Don't know about GNOME systemd requirements (wouldn't be surprised if the following applies too), but for kde (specifically kwin) the only requirement is the logind d-bus interface. Which could be provided by https://github.com/wingo/elogind
We all know how those things work, embrace and destroy as they say :P

Fact is that, at some points, alternatives stop working because mamintainers get tired of it or go elsewhere. Such as that apulse thing to fake applications into thinking that pulseaudio is installed.

I truly hope kde people are smart enough in that regard. For the good of all, even though as I said above, it doesn't concern me directly.
 
  


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