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With all respect, I do not think that the FOSS discourse is about the Liberty of using someone servers in wrong ways.
No, it's about the fundamental liberty to share source code without interference and with no regard to use: intended, actual, possible, or simply perceived.
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From RIAAs take down-request to GitHub:
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The clear purpose of this source code is to (i) circumvent the technological protection measures used by authorized streaming services such as YouTube, and (ii) reproduce and distribute music videos and sound recordings owned by our member companies without authorization for such use.
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...the YouTube Standard license, which expressly restricts access to copyrighted works only for streaming on YouTube and prohibits their further reproduction or distribution without consent of the copyright owner...
So: if I listen to a Justin Timberlake video (God forbid) using Vivaldi and, while listening, capture the music using Audacity, and thereafter save the recording as a MP3 file, I guess that the source code of Vivaldi and Audacity have given me access to a copyrighted work not only for streaming, but also for reproduction (which, by the way, is perfectly legal under Swedish copyright legislation) and distribution (which of course is illegal, but trust me - I would never share a Justin Timberlake recording).
So: if I listen to a Justin Timberlake video (God forbid) using Vivaldi and, while listening, capture the music using Audacity, and thereafter save the recording as a MP3 file, I guess that the source code of Vivaldi and Audacity have given me access to a copyrighted work not only for streaming, but also for reproduction (which, by the way, is perfectly legal under Swedish copyright legislation) and distribution (which of course is illegal, but trust me - I would never share a Justin Timberlake recording).
The letter was not submitted in that jurisdiction. It would make sense to home the source in a different jurisdiction where it could not be successfully attacked by these legal means, but it was homed in the USA. In this jurisdiction it MAY be vulnerable: I would want to ask for a legal opinion, and in the end a judge (or several) might be required to provide definitive guidance.
With all respect, I do NOT think that the FOSS discourse is about the liberty of using someone servers in wrong ways.
This is nonsense. Another way of viewing youtube-dl is as a web browser with an unusual interface. Suppose someone made a plan9 or GNU hurd web browser where the useful elements of web pages are portrayed as a directory and file structure (there is such a plan9 browser I think, though it's far from complete). To watch a movie you'd cd to a directory within the resources of a page containing the name of a movie file. Playing it would end up with the file cached locally into your file system and pointed to by a directory entry. You would not have to look at the garbage surrounding the video as it appears on google's web site when viewed with their browser. Is this wrong? First downloading with youtube-dl and then playing with mpv is little different.
It's not what Google expects you to do, but failing to meet their expectations for how we access publicly available files over http is not immoral. I once again think of the guy when I was a kid who portrayed fast forwarding over commercials with your VCR as theft. This is a moral code right out of the characters in Frederick Pohl's Space Merchants. Just how far gone is our culture if we're such slaves, mentally, to these corporations whims?
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Probably in the FOSS ways, will be about someone making an open-source website like Youtube, if there's no one yet.
First downloading with youtube-dl and then playing with mpv is little different.
Feeding mpv with the URL works, if youtube-dl is recent enough. Which is not the case today for the piano Sonata Deutsch 850 from Franz Schubert played by Christian Zacharias:
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didier[~]$ mpv --no-video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt-oZc5_0Ak
Playing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt-oZc5_0Ak
[ytdl_hook] ERROR: Unable to extract JS player URL; please report this issue on https://yt-dl.org/bug . Make sure you are using the latest version; see https://yt-dl.org/update on how to update. Be sure to call youtube-dl with the --verbose flag and include its complete output.
[ytdl_hook] youtube-dl failed: unexpected error ocurred
Failed to recognize file format.
Exiting... (Errors when loading file)
Hopefully I have downloaded it and indeed it works in a web browser.
Last edited by Didier Spaier; 10-31-2020 at 12:25 AM.
It has happened a few times now: mpv with the 2020-09-30 version of youtube-dl does not play this anymore.
I have now installed youtube-dlc, and symlinked it to ~/bin/youtube-dl (which takes precedence over /usr/bin/youtube-dl), and mpv plays it!
As I said before, I'm not sure I like the way this fork came to be in the first place, but it seems to be getting more attention, and the owner promised to set up some (hopefully fully parallel) mirrors otuside of github.
See here and here.
I have just seen articles indicating that the RIAA has also been awarded subpoenas for multiple domains that, in the RIAA considered opinion, infringe or support infringement upon RIAA member IP rights. It appears that their aim is to shut down all of the software, sharing, hosting, and transfer sits that might not have the money and legal clout to fight them effectively. Some of those are probably justified, and some are certainly not. If they find friendly judges, this could be a BAD shakeup!
This appears part of a major offensive against sharing of ANY media, even non-RIAA, everywhere in the world but primarily in the USA. Of note, just after the Conservative members of the US senate have packed Federal courts with conservative judges to an extent never before achieved.
I don't think this shakeup will be too bad. The web has advanced beyond that. http://thepiratebay.org is sitting pretty behind a VPN in Sweden. youtube-dl is available for download. There is a rather determined Swedish lot out to get thepiratebay.org, and they have been trying to penetrate that VPN without success for months. They want to get an IP for the piratebay site to close it down. Sweden has a lax attitude to copyright anyhow.
In New Zealand, mega.nz is hosting encrypted web drives. You enter your password, and it decrypts your directory. Mega doesn't keep a record of your key, so if you lose it, that's too bad. You can get a shareable url for any contentious software, distribute it, and nobody can prove anything, as long as you hold your mega.nz password remains secure. mega.nz is owned by Kim Dot Com, who some will remember from the Megaupload site. And then there's Tor…
Likewise, for email there's protonmail.com. No passwords stored there either.
Last edited by business_kid; 11-01-2020 at 06:32 AM.
I don't think this shakeup will be too bad. The web has advanced beyond that.
The three examples you gave are all sites that quite clearly possess the ability to fight effectively.
What wpeckham is warning about is potential damage to the greater Internet caused by RIAA's trawling, if it destroys a whole bunch of smaller sites and communities - perhaps from a single stray link that a mod didn't notice.
Music is an easy place to set a precedent that later spreads to other areas.
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IMHO youtube-dl and thepiratebay mentioned by business_kid, are fundamentally different. The whole point behind piratebay is to distribute/share copyrighted stuff in a way that has always been illegal in most countries, Sweden included. The guys behind have been sentenced to prison and heavy indemnities (€4.500.000). AFAIK there are no piratebay servers in Sweden anymore, there are rumours that they are based in the Netherlands and Belgium nowadays.
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