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Old 10-25-2020, 12:33 PM   #46
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I guess google want to kill all the competition.
Competition on what? On its own videos served by its own servers? I guess that rather Google want to not be abused its own servers...

How about you guys to watch Youtube videos as is expected to do, i.e. in a Firefox window?

Hint: will greatly help you if you ask for having always the latest Firefox release, instead of tacit accepting some old and decrepit Enterprise version.

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Old 10-25-2020, 01:08 PM   #47
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aside: before html5 video support was common and flashplayer didn't have a 64bit version, youtube-dl was the only way to watch youtube content on 64bit linux.
Permit me to disagree.

Did you know that MPlayer supports playing the Youtube streams, as in using right on video streams, since long time?

I remember using it with a Slackware-like 64bit operating system somewhere in the age of Slackware 12.2, when you guys fiercely debated "when" 64bit is ready, because the BDFL said so.

Heck, in that time you guys even considered written law that 3GB of memory is absolutely enough and the best&faster way, because Mr. Torvalds said so - or was the BDFL? I do not remember everything.

Unless the MPlayer was particularly patched by the Bluewhite64 developers and/or Darth Vader or other guy from their extended mix of DARKSTAR/BlueWhite64/easys Linux, it supported well natively to watch Youtube videos.

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Old 10-25-2020, 01:56 PM   #48
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@ LuckyCyborg, why do you care so much?
 
Old 10-25-2020, 02:07 PM   #49
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@ LuckyCyborg, why do you care so much?
Because I truly believe that this thread's place is not in the Slackware forum, because youtube-dl is at best just a hacking tool.

In other hand, because I believe that you guys neglect to ask for a modern Firefox and Chromium, complacing with those questionable hacking tools.

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Old 10-25-2020, 02:12 PM   #50
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Did you know that MPlayer supports playing the Youtube streams, as in using right on video streams, since long time?
It does not. You are thinking of mpv which uses youtube-dl to support this...
 
Old 10-25-2020, 02:16 PM   #51
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I stand corrected. There were TWO letters and BOTH are involved. Google is not the instigator, but part of the violation claimed is against their rights so they get pulled in. The title is NOT misleading.


RIAA claims that the software can be used to violate the IP rights of a member. The discussion before this all applies and my opinion of the merit remains unchanged. That the software uses part of the name youtube in the project name is unfortunate. So are some of the examples published about how to use it.

The primary use is clearly NOT piracy, since it makes no sense to "pirate" something that is available for the entire world to stream for free. Just as with a videotape recorder the purpose is the convenience of the user.

Interestingly the letter was NOT worded as the standard legal DMCA notice, rather as a less formal notice that was converted to a DMCA request by the Microsoft legal team. (Most likely to avoid initiation of court action. Such preemptive actions are characteristic of major corporations.)

The letter link is here https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/...-10-23-RIAA.md for your convenience.
There is an interesting discussion I found at "It's FOSS" over here https://itsfoss.com/youtube-dl-github-takedown/ that may have been linked earlier as well.

I am no lawyer, but I find the claim that it violates the IP owners rights by subverting the intent of software running on the GOOGLE YOUTUBE servers intriguing. That level of indirection may be WHY the letter was not a standard DMCA notice!

Man, I would SO love to be a fly on the courtroom wall if this actually goes to a judge! This is gonna be wild, no matter HOW it comes out.
 
Old 10-25-2020, 02:30 PM   #52
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I stand corrected. There were TWO letters and BOTH are involved. Google is not the instigator, but part of the violation claimed is against their rights so they get pulled in. The title is NOT misleading.


RIAA claims that the software can be used to violate the IP rights of a member. The discussion before this all applies and my opinion of the merit remains unchanged. That the software uses part of the name youtube in the project name is unfortunate. So are some of the examples published about how to use it.

The primary use is clearly NOT piracy, since it makes no sense to "pirate" something that is available for the entire world to stream for free. Just as with a videotape recorder the purpose is the convenience of the user.

Interestingly the letter was NOT worded as the standard legal DMCA notice, rather as a less formal notice that was converted to a DMCA request by the Microsoft legal team. (Most likely to avoid initiation of court action. Such preemptive actions are characteristic of major corporations.)

The letter link is here https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/...-10-23-RIAA.md for your convenience.
There is an interesting discussion I found at "It's FOSS" over here https://itsfoss.com/youtube-dl-github-takedown/ that may have been linked earlier as well.

I am no lawyer, but I find the claim that it violates the IP owners rights by subverting the intent of software running on the GOOGLE YOUTUBE servers intriguing. That level of indirection may be WHY the letter was not a standard DMCA notice!

Man, I would SO love to be a fly on the courtroom wall if this actually goes to a judge! This is gonna be wild, no matter HOW it comes out.

It is obviously that youtube-dl subverts the intent of software running on the Youtube servers. That's exactly what I said several times already to those deaf ears...

BUT, I may ask you WHY you post in the Slackware forums, when apparently you do not use it?

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Old 10-25-2020, 02:37 PM   #53
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It does not. You are thinking of mpv which uses youtube-dl to support this...
At least it was. At least in those old times. Was some kind of kinda long command where you grab something with curl and pipe to mplayer.
 
Old 10-25-2020, 02:43 PM   #54
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At least it was. At least in those old times. Was some kind of kinda long command where you grab something with curl and pipe to mplayer.
Yes, I have seen examples like this too, but most of them use youtube-dl as well. Maybe years ago there were some that didn't, but given how many times youtube has broken ytdl by making changes to their site those old commands may no longer work. However mpv having ytdl support integrated just works better.
 
Old 10-25-2020, 03:31 PM   #55
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@wpeckham, can you point out where Google/Alphabet has instigated in this? I'm not saying it couldn't be so, I just don't see it anywhere.
Obviously they are involved...
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I wonder why people who don't care about downloading stuff from youtube, suddenly care so much about youtube-dl...
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@LuckyCyborg: I posted a similar thread in a distro agnostic subforum, but this one has gained too much momentum already.
You could try to report it, maybe someone will move the whole thread to a different subforum.
 
Old 10-25-2020, 03:55 PM   #56
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  Commitment can be illustrated by a breakfast of ham and eggs.
  The chicken was involved, the pig was committed.
 
Old 10-25-2020, 04:02 PM   #57
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So every time we post about a specific tool that we use on a specific distro it should be move to general or software. I guess if people cry and complain long enough they'll get their way.
 
Old 10-25-2020, 04:20 PM   #58
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So every time we post about a specific tool that we use on a specific distro it should be move to general or software. I guess if people cry and complain long enough they'll get their way.
If you do not noticed yet, some peoples even needs to use a custom ffmpeg build for their "specific" needs, just to support their "specific" requirements which looks being specifically against U.S. laws...

Why should be the legal issues of a hacking tool made specifically and literally to abuse the Youtube servers be worth for this official Slackware forum?

As someone already suggested also here, please use the "specific" tools to watch Youtube, which in the Slackware case looks being either Firefox or SeaMonkey.

I confirm you that they both works fine. Also Chromium does a fine job and if you use Plasma5, also there's Falkon for you - tested personally with no problems on Youtube.

For your piracy related adventures and the related legal issues of your hacking tools, please be kind to go elsewhere!

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Old 10-25-2020, 05:44 PM   #59
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What is your point? Maybe you guys shouldn't have a browser or media player because those programs allow for people to watch and view illegal content. We are not talking about doing anything illegal. If I upload a video tutorial on YouTube and some one downloads it, I just don't care. Its more to life than to be worried about what others are doing. Learn to mind your own business and have all of your affairs in order before trying to correct others. YoutubeDL doesn't download illegal content, its the user who does that. We are NOT those users.
 
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