You poor, poor deluded kids.
 

Historically new generations had the time to grow beyond their youthful rebelliousness and distrust of "adults", and to learn the foolishness of their previous actions in time to eliminate any deadly serious screwups.

I suspect that mine was the last generation graced with this precarious and fragile freedom.

Peace is an ideal that is, and has been paid for in blood. It has been paid for with the blood of tyrants, and the blood of patriots.

I feel that it won't be too long now before the "peaceniks" of the world, and of the US, will learn firsthand the foolishness of pacifism in the face of tyrants. And, in the wisdom of nipping despotism in the bud through the unwelcome necessity of war.

Learn your lesson well my young rebels, for if you are lucky you will have to try to convince your own grandchildren or great-grandchildren that in your youth you made the mistake of believing that "It's all about oil!".

arrogance is a common affliction

Yes, and it's all so easy to attribute "arrogance" to people who have the audacity to "warn" people of the consequences of their actions.

The nazis threw around the accusation of "arrogance" regularly to those who opposed them.

"Accusations" are a common retort....

no arrogance is being attributed to anyone, nor is anyone
being accused; but i will rephrase my reply, to prevent any
misunderstandings.

i do not mind people stating their opinion, only if they
choose to state it as a fact. if one chooses to state their
opinion as being a fact, i see that as arrogant, as he or
she can impossibly speak for everyone else.

and i dislike it when people speak as if they are speaking
for a group. voice your opinion, but just speak for yourself
please.

i think it is humorous that you voice your opinion with such grandeur :)

no offense meant, as always.

Re: You poor, poor deluded kids.
 

Amen.

oh - and something i thought at first when
i read your post: 'why post about this here?',
since i thought this was a linux-related forum...

I often laugh when i see people going off to Iraq to act as 'human sheilds'.
Are these people so stupid to actually think that they can change anything? Do they think the goverments know or care that they are in Iraq?

i'll step out of this thread, as i am too sober.

I've been frequenting www.icalledit.com recently and I guarantee that your rants will get much more responses there. You should check it out :)

Does this look familiar?:

I laugh for another reason...because they are so stupid as to not even grasp the truth that Saddam cares even less about them.

I liked it hearing that a few of them came home because they finally realized that they "might get killed"....:eek:

Gee!...just another epiphany or two & they might get a clue.

OK, thanks for noticing... :D

Yeah it's humorous in the same way as this Bushism is funny. It's like the American administration is telling the joke and no-one else 'gets' it. The US thinks that's because no-one understands the joke, but actually everyone understands it but we just don't find it funny!.

And that's turned into the joke!!! Because the jokes on us!

I'm really glad you guys find it funny too. What a blast.

Bert

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I don't know about that ;) Just kidding...that place is pretty cool.

Not too bad for a brand new site in my opinion. :)

i don't think most of these protesters are pacifists, they just care about life and don't want to see it go to waste for the benefit of some warmongers with their flimsy excuses and suspicious behavior. show these 'pacifists' a just cause and i think they wouldn't hesitate in kicking some butt. going to war because saddam is a bad guy seems so hypocritical when we have our own saddam's in washington. i think the peaceniks have their priorities in order by protesting this cowardly war. i think these protesters aren't so much pacifists as they are revolutionarys.

Re: You poor, poor deluded kids.
 

Does anyone really think that Bush is fighting an 80+ billion dollar war for 44 billion dollars worth of oil? That it's just one big conspiracy to give oil companies resources, even though they will lose money by accepting them? It goes a lot deeper than that...sure that's a dumb thing to believe, but then again, so is the "Iraqi threat."

Maybe when I'm a grandpa, and the next wave of terrorist attacks hits, I can explain to my grandchilders how those big bad terrorists simply hate America because they hate freedom, and how we have supported freedom and democracy in Guatemala, Vietnam, El Salvador, Nicaragua, and Iraq.

Re: Re: You poor, poor deluded kids.
 

Well, where does this "80+ billion" go to. It is effectively an internal payment, isn't it? In reality, it doesn't cost the US that much.

44 billion dollars worth of oil? At which prices, and how are you so sure that the reserves are exactly that size?

I don't trust these figures.:)

When you talk of nipping despotism in the bud, your taking about the ashcroft/bush regime correct?

http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,57636,00.html

"The act allows the government to:

* Conduct domestic wiretapping without court order for 15 days following a congressional authorization of use of force or an attack on the United States.

* Secretly detain citizens. ...."

And yes that is the US gov.
If your a US citizen, fear your government, keep your mouth shut, and if its at all possible move. The US is already far down the road to becoming a police state run by big oil.

Re: You poor, poor deluded kids.
 

That bloke is a mentalist ;)

I really find it sad & humorous....how someone can look at things meant for their own protection...necessary protection...and make them out to be "evil".

I've never been able to prove it but I suspect it has a lot to do with all their suspicions being due to one or two other strongly held but erring convictions.

That, and a very skewed idea of the truths behind our U.S. Constitution.

The liberals in the US, the ACLU, etc., have brainwashed many in our society that the U.S. Constitution means the opposite of that which it truly does.

They will turn history and other facts on their head in order to make the truth look like a lie, and lies seem to be the truth.

...with sight so blinded, it's no wonder that good looks evil, and evil looks good to them.

Afer readin that article I think the justice dept should probably change its name to something more appropriate like SS or KGB.:(

Nu-Bee and Saddam again.Boring.Get a live.

Nu-Bee, I know you like Linux but can't you see just on the basis of what the current US administration has waived through Congress may potentially destroy your freedom to use Mandrake Linux?

Have you been paying any attention at all during Mr Bush's term of office?

Do you really think you have more freedoms now than during the previous administration? Really? Truthfully? They'll find out if you're lying!

The majority of your fellow intelligent US citizens have serious doubts about the current administration's democratic legitimacy, policymaking and competence, including Mr Stallman, Mr Raymond and possibly Mr Torvalds (I don't think he's a citizen yet though!).

Please, just give it a rest - your opinions (if they are genuine) only serve to irritate and show your misunderstanding of the current political climate. Don't you have homework to do?

Bert

right, i think we'll call a halt to it here.... thanks.