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Old 02-25-2016, 04:37 PM   #1
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Red face Yet another community gone to poo.


So I don't know if anyone is aware of all the drama on youtube these days, but damn it is really disheartening.

Maybe I am just naive and youtube went to shite longer than I think it has, but geez I feel sorry for youtubers, particularly the smaller or just starting out channels. I don't have my own channel, but given whats been going down lately, not just with the Fine Bros. debacle, but just the rampant false copyright claims, one must ask is if it is even worth it now?

I am subscribed to quite a few channels, some fairly known and lesser known. Sure I even posted videos from Bill Maher from HBO, but even that does not have the power like say more obvious channels. Then again, if you have the money, it probably doesn't matter if the channel can be bigger than you.

Even channels that have quite a following and by no means are small, have their share of unimaginable b/s that they have to contend with, point illustrated by non other than the Nostalgia Critic - #WTFU (Wheres the fair use). (Please watch the whole video)

Again I guess if you have the money, fair use is just a minor detail that can easily be overcome by malicious and false copyright claims. Youtube started out and is still a great idea, but on cue it is slowly being eaten away by the online cancer that is those with bigger budgets, and can use that to throw their weight around.

I probably also sound alarmist, but this theoretically can be used as a form of silencing/censoring someone. Don't like what someone is saying about your product? Well, forget freedom of speech on youtube, if you have the money you can silence them.

Anyways after seeing that video, I instantly went to IHE (I Hate Everything), and became a subscriber, , because I think his content is pretty funny, oh and looks like IHE again is the victim of this ongoing doucebaggery https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNZPQssir4E (again please watch the whole video)

I really don't know how much more worse things will get, and if things will ever get better but it just annoys, angers me, (insert other adjective here).

Youtube? Well no longer YOUTube, but more like IF-YOU-HAVE-MONEY-YOU-CAN-SCREW-OVER-ANY-ONE-YOU-WANT-Tube.

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Old 02-25-2016, 04:46 PM   #2
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Even channels that have quite a following and by no means are small, have their share of unimaginable b/s that they have to contend with, point illustrated by non other than the Nostalgia Critic - #WTFU (Wheres the fair use). (Please watch the whole video)
The hell? Jim Sterling also just got hit with a claim, and he released a response video with the exact same title.

Where's The Fair Use? (The Jimquisition)

(Disclaimer: I haven't watched it).

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Old 02-25-2016, 05:07 PM   #3
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Where's The Fair Use? (The Jimquisition)

(Disclaimer: I haven't watched it).
I just have, thanks for that addition That video also touched another important point, if people that use Youtube as a means of income, then they should be quaking in their boots right now, no matter how big. I am thinking of right now about PewDiePie, which I am sure is still the biggest channel on youtube? *goes and checks*

Yep:
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PewDiePie	42,409,361
holasoygerman	26,466,192
YouTube	        24,013,745
smosh	        21,850,875
Source: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...outube+channel

Kinda surprised to see smosh still up there. I've watched some of PewDiePie's vids, ok I guess, but not really anything to get me to subscribe. Though I am subscribed to Markiplier, and Jacksepticeye.

Point is, I am sure even Felix Kjellberg (PewDiePie) should be worried about being a potential target. Well I am sure he is already a target of haters and other trolls, but again whats to stop a corporate entity to suddenly kill HIM off too? Since all of his source of income at this point is mostly if not all of Youtube.

Nostalgia Critic also said it best in another video, if you are a youtuber, better also make backups of your videos - I think I will start also saving some videos offline to the channels I subscribe to just in case.....

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Old 02-25-2016, 05:13 PM   #4
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Another addendum - Since that video (posted by Dugan) mentioned about ORIGINAL music created by a youtuber has also been targeted, then what chance does someone have if they merely perform a cover of a song? I don't even want to know.
 
Old 02-25-2016, 05:26 PM   #5
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Reminds me I have to watch Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, again.
 
Old 02-25-2016, 06:22 PM   #6
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Another point, there is a channel I like called "Oddity Archive" - and if you watch any of the videos on this channel, there is clearly a LOT of videos that also have copyrighted material, but obviously in an informative context, sadly this channel isn't safe either, also currently has 15,047 subscribers (and I'm one of them)

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Old 02-26-2016, 06:36 PM   #7
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Pat The Nes Punk's take

I still like what Jim Sterling said in his video though, why should we at this point even bother honouring copyright if even legitimate fair use is targeted at this point?

There is something though that at least offsets SOME of this BS, and that is Patreon and I am thinking of becoming a Patron to some of the channels I am subscribed to. Still, it disgusts me now that there is no oversight, and those filing copyright claims can pretty much STEAL someone's money if they are monetising their videos.
 
Old 02-26-2016, 07:14 PM   #8
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Unfortunately this has been going on before YouTube existed but only now has come to the forefront due to the high rates of abuse. Want to point fingers at not Google or YouTube but the broken ass copyright system

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Old 02-26-2016, 07:52 PM   #9
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That is not the whole story because as these videos show, there is no human intervention within the Google system, therefore it is technically their fault. It is a being abused by copyright holders as well as laws that are behind the times.
 
Old 02-26-2016, 07:53 PM   #10
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Well yes they do share some of the blame, but we would not have this if it were not for viacom back in 07

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Old 02-26-2016, 09:05 PM   #11
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We should build a mega-super metamorphic, highly adaptive virus that targets ALL THE SERVERS AND SYSTEMS AND STORAGE MEDIA OF ALL THE BIG COPYRIGHT HOLDERS OF MUSIC, MOVIES AND COMMERCIAL SOFTWARE IN USA. This virus would, upon being unleashed on the web, FLOOD IT WITH COPYRIGHT TAKEDOWN NOTICES AND COPYRIGHT CLAIMS so fast and so much that those GREEDY BASTARDS won't be able to cope with them and their own AUTOMATED CONTENT DELETION SYSTEMS WILL DELETE ALL OF THEIR SO PRECIOUS COPYRIGHTED STUFF OFF THEIR SERVERS AND DISKS FASTER THAN THEY CAN RESTORE IT FROM BACKUPS. And also that way they WILL HAVE A LOT OF COPYRIGHT NOTICES/CLAIMS TO DEAL WITH, MORE THAN THEY CAN ISSUE COUNTER-CLAIMS AGAINST. Essentially HIT THEM HARD WITH THEIR OWN CANNONS.
 
Old 02-26-2016, 09:10 PM   #12
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No that will only make things worse.
 
Old 02-26-2016, 10:55 PM   #13
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tljJhLB5k4
 
Old 02-26-2016, 11:02 PM   #14
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RiP!: A Remix Manifesto is a good movie to watch about this bullshit
 
Old 02-27-2016, 03:23 AM   #15
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