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Old 11-05-2016, 05:11 PM   #91
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You just said that only RT even cared about that. So which is it?
 
Old 11-05-2016, 05:12 PM   #92
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Maybe Dartmouth Films are under the Russians?
 
Old 11-05-2016, 05:13 PM   #93
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You just said that only RT even cared about that. So which is it?
No, it is just that I am fully aware of the irony that this kind of content, I get from the Russians.
 
Old 11-05-2016, 05:15 PM   #94
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Show me anywhere in the wikipedia article that John Pilger has any ties to RT, or the Russians.... Please by all means.
If he produces something and only RT airs it (presumably after buying it), well, there's the connection right there.

You're not going to get out of this, Jeebizz. What you just said was that Assange just gave an interview that in your mind clears Russia of wrongdoing, and only RT chose to give that interview attention. Gee, I wonder why.

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Old 11-05-2016, 05:39 PM   #95
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If he produces something and only RT airs it (presumably after buying it), well, there's the connection right there.

You're not going to get out of this, Jeebizz. What you just said was that Assange just gave an interview that in your mind clears Russia of wrongdoing, and only RT chose to give that interview attention. Gee, I wonder why.
I'm not trying to get out of anything - how does Russia benefit if they also have their own secrets exposed at one point or another? If assuming the Russians are aware of this - then they would either have Assange killed once he is fulfilled his 'purpose' - then there is the issue of Edward Snowden criticising his Russian hosts (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/28/wo...ssia.html?_r=0) (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...37904068,d.cGc)

But sorry I digress, the issue is Assange right?

Since at the moment the focus is still on the west, because of that election thing as well - that happens to be the main focus as of right now; - I just find it rather of 'Russian meddling' in US politics narrative a cop out

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Old 11-05-2016, 06:05 PM   #96
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How is Assange tied to Putin?
Oh btw... if you want me to answer this, then you need to answer two things for me first.

1. what do you think my answer will be?

2. what would your response be if I gave the answer you expect?
 
Old 11-05-2016, 06:09 PM   #97
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No, I'm not a fan of this option at all
I rather like this bot's response.

Reminds me of a review I read of The Laffer Utilities (a Leisure Suit Larry spinoff product), which included a sort of chat bot. If you asked it "Should I vote for Bush, Clinton or Perot?" it answers "you really should not"

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Old 11-05-2016, 06:24 PM   #98
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Oh btw... if you want me to answer this, then you need to answer two things for me first.

1. what do you think my answer will be?

2. what would your response be if I gave the answer you expect?
1. The Kremlin is paying Assange phat amounts of monie$? (How much, and is that before or after taxes?)
2. *sings* Kalinka, kalinka, kalinka moya! V sadu yagoda malinka, malinka moya!

http://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2016/1...lieve-the-nyt/ http://www.democracynow.org/2016/8/3...ald_on_clinton

I have stated previously that all sources have bias - the fact that this source concentrates all of it's efforts at this point in time at the west - it doesn't bother me a bit - I'm going to again play devil's advocate here - lets assume I then agree that Putin is behind all this, what makes the west so very different in it's own right? They do just as much meddling as well.

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Old 11-05-2016, 06:28 PM   #99
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1. The Kremlin is paying Assange phat amounts of monie$? (How much, and is that before or after taxes?)
No, I was going to say that the DNC hacks were traced back to Russia, the forensic and technical evidence was released online for civilian intelligence experts to go over (all of which came to the same conclusion), it's now the consensus of the U.S. Intelligence community that the Russian government at least authorized those hacks, and that the materials stolen in those hacks were exactly what Wikileaks released.

AFAIK, Greenwald (since one of your link titles mentions him) doesn't deny that this happened, he just thinks it it's not relevant.

(Please tell me that you expected this to be brought up).

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I'm going to again play devil's advocate here
And who's the Devil?

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Old 11-05-2016, 06:40 PM   #100
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No, I was going to say that the DNC hacks were traced back to Russia, the forensic and technical evidence was released online for civilian intelligence experts to go over (all of which came to the same conclusion), it's now the consensus of the U.S. Intelligence community that the Russian government "authorized" those hacks, and that the materials stolen in those hacks were exactly what Wikileaks released.

AFAIK, Greenwald (since one of your link titles mentions him) doesn't deny that this happened, he just thinks it it's not relevant.

With Greenwald I agree, why should I care if it were the Russians on that? I live in the west, so it was drilled into my own little head that the west can do no wrong ever.

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(Please tell me that you expected this to be brought up).
I can only expect so much - in the end what I believe and what you believe is different that is fine. Plus where would the fun be there were no debate?

Whether I am correct, or you are correct the main point at least is that opinions are being laid out , thats a good thing.
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And who's the Devil?
I don't know, but I do hope you guessed his name , and do please have some sympathy for him....


All joking aside, in this surrealistic world the fact that the if the Russians are behind all the exposures - why should it invalidate it? Again, I do not live in Russia - so I don't care what Putin does or does not do; however again I live in the US a country that sure likes to beat the moral drum - but when their own shenanigans are exposed - can't have that.

Inb4 two wrongs do not make a right - I don't care if what was done by the Russians were 'wrong' - I do think that you and I can agree on one indisputable fact that there is no real black and white, but different shades - nobody is innocent - but in my opinion (yes just an opinion) - right now the lesser bastard aren't the Russians. Sorry

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Old 11-05-2016, 06:45 PM   #101
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in my opinion (yes just an opinion) - right now the lesser bastard aren't the Russians. Sorry
I'm going to quote this before you can correct it.
 
Old 11-05-2016, 06:47 PM   #102
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I'm going to quote this before you can correct it.
Oh well I mean't otherwise but whatever
 
  


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