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Old 10-28-2016, 06:26 PM   #61
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sexual predator
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affairs
That's a huge difference.

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Drumpf is
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her own husbands
That's also a huge difference.

Also: you do realize that you're pretty much the only person currently posting in General who thinks RT has any credibility, right? I'm seriously wondering about what family background you might have, that would cause you to think that the Russian government and the Russian media can do no wrong.

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Old 10-28-2016, 06:35 PM   #62
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See the difference?




See the difference?

Also: you do realize that you're the only person currently posting in General who thinks RT has any credibility, right?
like fox/cnn has any actual cred? As of right now you are the only one who does not think rt has any cred. That doesn't reflect all of LQ, and whoever doesn't like RT thats not my problem.

And I do not see the different between affairs/predator... Again WHY should I think only less of drumpf and not shillery? I don't like either, she pretty much down played bill's actions and his willie, but has the nerve to go after drumpf? c'mon now.

Again I don't plan to vote in this sham election anyways...
 
Old 10-28-2016, 06:43 PM   #63
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Clinton Foundation did nothing to help anybody - so what kind of 'charity' is this foundation then?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/us...aiti.html?_r=0



But wait, Dugan may not like the nytimes, so please list a more reputable source dugan please by all means.
 
Old 10-28-2016, 06:46 PM   #64
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But wait, Dugan may not like the nytimes, so please list a more reputable source dugan please by all means.
nytimes is fine.
 
Old 10-28-2016, 06:50 PM   #65
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37805525

Would this be ok? or again please whatever 'trustworthy' news outlets dugan
 
Old 10-28-2016, 06:52 PM   #66
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please whatever 'trustworthy' news outlets dugan
No, I think I'll just leave you to figure that out on your own. So far you've been doing better.

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Old 10-29-2016, 02:32 PM   #67
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Back to the theme of this thread. . .

On most ballots there already is, in fact, a 'None of the above' option. Namely, put any name you please in the write-in box. If you like the idea of agitating for an open-source random-selection process, perhaps a write-in vote for 'Linux' or 'Tux' would be the thing to do.
 
Old 10-29-2016, 06:16 PM   #68
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Post US election: Clinton campaign condemns FBI email move

"Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign team has challenged the FBI over its decision to brief US lawmakers on a new inquiry into the Democratic candidate's email use."

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37813607


Yes, how dare they? Such impudence!
 
Old 10-29-2016, 08:47 PM   #69
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I see a potential happy result in this election due the FBI reopening their investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails. I would be happy if Hillary Clinton won the election in November, was inaugurated in January, and was indicted two days later for bribery and corruption through the Clinton Foundation and violating the security laws as Secretary of State. Then Hillary Clinton would be forced to resign and Tim Kaine would become president. I think that Tim Kaine would make a very acceptable president.

I also think that Mike Pence would make an acceptable president but I don't think that Donald Trump will be indicted anytime soon.

So I will be happy to vote for Gary Johnson as planned and hope for an indictment against Hillary Clinton after her inauguration if she wins.

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Old 10-29-2016, 09:57 PM   #70
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If "None of the above" were a ballot option, probably that option would win the election. Then what? No government?

Hmmm. . . not a bad idea!
Hi...

That would be anarchy (and very undesirable) but it does remind me of an expression which I think has a bit of wisdom: "That government is best which governs least." Not all problems can or should be solved by the government.

Regards...
 
Old 10-30-2016, 09:21 AM   #71
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Government is needed for two things: to make uniform laws (but, not all laws need be uniform, and to do things that individuals and corporations need but cannot individually afford to do.

For instance, in the 1950's and 1960's, we decided that the US needed an Interstate Highway System.

Today, as for-profit health care (sic) providers and for-profit health insurance (sic) providers, having been given exactly the law that they paid so much for, are now going bankrupt and closing "non-profitable" hospitals, we in the US must soon realize that we need a US National Health Service. This is to remove the incentive for "making profit" from a vital-to-society activity that cannot be done "profitably" if it is to be done well and made available to everyone in society who needs it.

My father would have died, thus saving the health insurance company a lot of money, because Revenue Management decided that the treatment he needed was eight hundred dollars "too expensive." Had we not marched into Revenue Management with a certified check, and listened to an Accountant call the Doctor and authorize treatment, we would have been giving that check to a grave-digger.

My uncle did die in an identical scenario.

The very same insurer who built a palatial palace to itself in Chattanooga, Tennessee just cut coverage to 70% of the people in the State of Tennessee and raised rates 65% in one year for the rest.

A for-profit hospital management company that seeks to gain monopoly power in the same city has been striving for years to shut down a community hospital in nearby Georgia, and is methodically buying up and closing down other hospitals in outlying regions so that more patients would have to be transported longer distances (if they make it ... and if they weren't, guess they wouldn't have been profitable anyway ... c'est la guerre ...) to receive treatment (sic) in t-h-e-i-r (profitable) facilities.

That's what "government" is, or should be, "for."

Not "trying for fifteen years to build an oil pipeline for Richard Cheney, Inc. to the Caspian Sea by way of Afghanistan." (Which effort, albeit unsuccessful, has never been stopped ... at the cost of undocumented numbers of soldiers ... because "it would be so goddamned profitable.")

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And if you vote for "either one of 'those two,'" don't expect any change for the next eight years.

The decision ... no matter how much they scream and no matter how many billions of dollars they spend screaming ... i-s [y]ours.
 
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Since Mr. Putin himself clearly states he doesn't care who is president, only about rhetoric of the next president - seems that all this 'hacking' is another red herring to distract the US population.
 
Old 10-31-2016, 12:25 PM   #73
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Since Mr. Putin himself clearly states he doesn't care who is president, only about rhetoric of the next president - seems that all this 'hacking' is another red herring to distract the US population.
Vladimir Putin ... who is by no means innocent of being at the helm of horrible things either ... is nevertheless a very experienced head-of-state, and he is of course "at arms' length" from the actual election and its outcome.

If you take the time to actually listen to the quoted video in its entirety, you'll see that his observations are extremely prescient. For instance:
  • This is entirely the conjuring of "the American mainstream media," which of course does everything that it does for a calculated purpose.
  • The apparent purpose is to strengthen the political objectives of the Democratic Party against those of the Republican Party.
  • The strategy is to conjure up "an enemy," and then to say that your opponent is aligned to the purposes of that enemy, and is endorsing its President. (Putin makes it quite clear that any such perceived endorsement is not reciprocal.)
  • Trump is acting "flamboyant," to play to a group of voters who feels disenchanted with a 'ruling elite.'
  • It's anybody's guess what either of these two would actually do, if either is elected.
  • Yes, it is a good thing if either of them are even talking about normalizing relations with [Russia], but ...
  • The only thing that actually matters to a foreign state is what the winner actually does after having won, and that's still anybody's guess.
After any winner of the post "wins," for the next four-or-eight years there is nothing left but the daily grind of doing the job. The mainstream-media rhetoric stops (until the next election cycle), and reality sets in.

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I'm always reminded of this quote, more-or-less made by "an American President":
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"I can make the Army do anything that I command it to do. But, I can make the Congress do nothing."
Which American President said that?

George Washington!

General Washington, being the first President to serve under the then-brand-new Constitution, had misgivings about the structure and the definition of the Office, which has absolute military authority but no civil authority other than "veto and influence." (The delegates debated other possibilities, including an "Executive Council," but this is what they came up with.) It has been that way ever since. Young (wo)men enter the office, but, invariably, old (wo)men come out.

To my way of thinking, the Mainstream Media is very much to blame, in some respects, because it sets up expectations in the minds of voters that the actual definition of the Office cannot achieve. No matter what either candidate says that they will do, they can't actually do it (by themselves). The actual running of the Country is not "a reality-TV show," yes, but the usually level-headed attorney and U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton is nowhere to be seen these days, either.

Which is why I am not voting for either of them.

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Old 10-31-2016, 01:28 PM   #74
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Hi...

That would be anarchy (and very undesirable) but it does remind me of an expression which I think has a bit of wisdom: "That government is best which governs least." Not all problems can or should be solved by the government.

Regards...
That was once my opinion as well, until i read the book of Judges for the umpteenth time and realized its very last verse was a statement of glory, not lament. 450 years that nation lived with NO HUMAN GOVERNMENT, save an occasional charismatic judge raised up by the Almighty as a stop-gap measure. A wild ride? For sure. Unrealistic fantasy? No argument. Undesirable anarchy? I no longer think so.

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Old 10-31-2016, 03:23 PM   #75
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That was once my opinion as well, until i read the book of Judges for the umpteenth time and realized its very last verse was a statement of glory, not lament. 450 years that nation lived with NO HUMAN GOVERNMENT, save an occasional charismatic judge raised up by the Almighty as a stop-gap measure. A wild ride? For sure. Unrealistic fantasy? No argument. Undesirable anarchy? I no longer think so.
Meh ... No, they simply lived as they always had ... as tribes, with leaders that never bothered to have been captured by (or, more likely, given the situation of those days, were simply never known to ...) the "official State history" authors of a book such as Judges.

Its "last statement" was: "a statement of official propaganda!"

As we read books such as Judges, now many-thousands of years later, let us always bear in mind exactly what these books are: they are "Official State Histories."

The authors are writing about spans-of-history that might be "450 years," or more. Therefore, their writing is entirely based upon the histories that were available to them, as they may have been doctored-up by <<persons unknown>> even "several generations(!) before their own time." Also, their projects are commissioned by the then-extant State Government, which is paying the bills, and which undoubtedly has Its Message To Send. Their purpose, above all, is to Send That Message.

And so, even though the writing may encourage you to believe, "this is The Way That It Really Was, and 'Your Gentle Writer™' is Not There™," one ought not actually believe any such thing . . .

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