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Old 07-01-2019, 05:38 AM   #1
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Windows XP at Glastonbury


I don't normally post these 'look how inferior Windows is' gloating threads, but I absolutely loved this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/livesound/c...y_crashed_and/

Thought one or two here might appreciated it.
 
Old 07-01-2019, 06:21 AM   #2
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In all honesty, XP may well have been the best Windows release their ever was as far as stability is concerned. Certainly it was far more stable than ME/9x from all reports. I say because "from all reports" because while I used (and had) XP, as well as the 9x versions - I never ran ME myself.

But what do you expect given we are talking about Winblows - sorry, I couldn't resist
 
Old 07-01-2019, 07:40 AM   #3
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XP can crop up in some funny places, such as ATM machines...

I used it a lot, at work particularly and I have to say that it wasn't the best. A lot of it's supposed "robustness" is a myth, perhaps propagated by those who despised Vista on it's release. What many forget is that XP was just as unpopular on release as Vista was, with it's horrible "fisher price" theme, dumbing down and terrible security record. It took three service packs, most notably SP2 and SP3, to fix a whole plethora of security issues with SP3 coming in 2008 - 7 years after the initial release.

So I have to say that, while I'm no fan of the newer releases, I for one don't look back on Windows XP with any degree of nostalgia.
 
Old 07-01-2019, 09:39 AM   #4
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ATMs, jukeboxes (AMI), and several corporations are paying microsoft millions of dollars a year for wniXP support and security upgrades. Ditto the U.S. Navy (What idiot at the Dept. of Defense made that decision??!!).

I have winXp-service pack 3 running in VirtualBox and it works just fine.

There are times when I think I could live with it as my daily OS, as things "just worked," with no tinkering necessary, but, one, I just don't care for the way microsoft does business, and, secondly, fewer and fewer applications are available for Xp, i.e., it is considered obsolete. Then there is the fact microsoft has paid off the hardware manufacturers, probably those who make BIOSes, to not allow anything older than windows 10 to be installed.
This box is about....... approaching two years old and there is no way to installed XP. I did get windows 7 installed, along with win7 specific drivers from the motherboard manufacturer (ASUS), but once installed you can't get security upgrades. I've been tempted to hunt around for a Devil's Canyon CPU and matching motherboard, just so I can run whatever OS I want. Microsoft can go straight to......... you know where....
Rant over.

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Old 07-01-2019, 01:04 PM   #5
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In the case of the military the device is certified with the operating system/firmware. A new operating system if it could be installed/upgraded could cost millions to re-certify assuming it is still possible. The same could be said with ATMs and medical equipment.

I used high dollar test equipment in the company I retired from that all was based on XP (embedded) and in time was no longer supported by the manufacture and could not be upgraded. Eventually that particular device failed and was replaced but it all had to be a planned budget expense. Lots of stuff isn't throwaway like a standard PC...

Likewise that appliance used in the concert was probably part of some high dollar multi media system. One buys the system and not the computer/operating system. It has been posted many times that for many a computer is a tool and it is used without knowing are caring about how operating system actually works.
 
Old 07-01-2019, 03:17 PM   #6
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with it's horrible "fisher price" theme
Whenever I have to sit in front of a windows 10 box with it's cartoon like interface I think of Toys R Us. At least one could find things on an XP box. But maybe that's because I never use it, on purpose.

The hospitals around here are still using XP. The nurses at their stations, that's what they look at all day.
 
Old 07-01-2019, 05:14 PM   #7
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Windows 8/8.1/10 UI is obviously the product of some very drunk people and "creative" powerpoint usage.
 
Old 07-01-2019, 06:40 PM   #8
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...I for one don't look back on Windows XP with any degree of nostalgia.
I do... I'm grateful to it because it was the final straw that made me Linux only.
 
Old 07-01-2019, 08:20 PM   #9
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I found Windows 7 to be a decent version. It's been all down hill for Windows since then.

I have Windows 8.1 in a VM, and it is most annoying. My girl friend has Windows 10 and it makes 8 look good.
 
Old 07-02-2019, 07:02 AM   #10
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There have been a few responses here regarding XP's certification for Military use. If that's even true in the US I'm quite certain it is a very limited certification. Back in my OS/2 days there was considerable gloating that XP would not pass the level of security necessary for high level certification for defense systems. At the time I lived near Norfolk, Virginia and an extremely embarrassing newspaper article came out regarding a prototype digital battleship that had to be towed back to base because although NT passed certs, it crashed and "went crazy" causing the system to need complete shutdown and be towed back as it could no longer navigate under it's own power. This was a huge laughing matter at my OS/2 User Group, although we all somewhat secretly wondered why the Navy wasn't using OS/2 since it did have high level certs and a proven track record in mission critical use cases like banking, hospitals, flight control towers, etc. but I now suspect tyhat was largely because it could run a compatible version of DOS in a protected environment.

My experience of Windows is quite limited as I've always disliked it and MS policies, but of the mess, I consider Win2K the best, even though I was somewhat fond of XP-64Pro. It's restrictions on memory addressing was a deal breaker. I currently have a bootable Win 7 install but I have literally gone for more than a year at a time w/o ever booting it, thanks to ~20 years of Slackware. I doubt I will ever buy anything from MS ever again.

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Old 07-02-2019, 07:33 AM   #11
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MS were famously paid USD 9,000,000 by the US Department of Defence back in 2015 for support for XP, Server 2003 and some other obsolete MS software.
 
Old 07-02-2019, 03:21 PM   #12
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.....At the time I lived near Norfolk, Virginia and an extremely embarrassing newspaper article came out regarding a prototype digital battleship that had to be towed back to base because although NT passed certs, it crashed and "went crazy" causing the system to need complete shutdown and be towed back as it could no longer navigate under it's own power.....
IIRC, I've told this story before, but back in the early '00s a younger colleague claimed he had been a junior officer on a Arleigh Burke-class Aegis-equipped guided missile destroyer when sometime similar to what you described above, happened to them while they were out at sea. They drifted for 3 days before another ship arrived to tow them back to port.

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Old 07-04-2019, 04:24 AM   #13
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In all honesty, XP may well have been the best Windows release their ever was as far as stability is concerned. Certainly it was far more stable than ME/9x from all reports. I say because "from all reports" because while I used (and had) XP, as well as the 9x versions - I never ran ME myself.

But what do you expect given we are talking about Winblows - sorry, I couldn't resist
To be fair I think that's probably right, for the last years of its life XP was pretty stable - maybe because it was actually finished? - and the last few years is what people tend to remember when they're wrestling with a new system. But I wonder if some of the fond memories of XP have been bolstered over the years by a trickle of MS astroturf.

I remember a few years ago when one of the big Windows versions was launched (Vista or 7 maybe), comments starting appearing under various Linux news articles saying that whatever distro was being discussed still couldn't match the "solid user interface" of any Windows, even as far back as 3.1. (I ran Windows 3.1 for a while but it must have been a different 3.1 to the one they remembered. )

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Old 07-05-2019, 12:13 AM   #14
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From what I remember, it was Vista that made people want to go back to XP, because it annoyed people with endless UAC prompts...
 
  


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