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Old 06-16-2016, 02:00 PM   #1
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Wink Windows scam phone calls; how long before you got bored?


Wow! I've just had a great half hour's entertainment from the Windows scammers!

Yup, I've checked for similar threads and have only found onebuck's from six months ago. Mine was virtually word-for-word, looks like they have only one script.

I'm curious as to how common these calls are to the Linux community as the scammers don't appear to recognise that there is more than one OS out there.
Also... How long did you manage to hold them on the phone and how far down their dubious trail did you get?

My story...

Usual Asian voice phoning mentioning Microsoft and Windows...
I was told that they had my licence ID and their server was showing my computer as flagging problems.
I told them I didn't have any licence and was told that all computers have a licence ID. They were quite insistent even when I told them my computer was a home brew job, not an off the shelf model.

Retrospective thought: I must ask for the licence number next time.

Meanwhile... while going down the <ctrl> r route I asked how they managed to get from "My computer", with it's problems, to my phone number. Nope, I didn't bother asking about IP addresses which might just prove to be a distraction though a valid question.
"Do you have some sort of database which matches computers to phone numbers?"
"Yes, of course, how else could we phone you about this."

Interesting... Why do they want to scam you for peanuts when it sounds like they have a database which they could sell for billions to the highest bidder in the international espionage business! (Or governments for that matter! Hmm... Same thing?) It surely contains more than just IPs and phone numbers.

The line went dead so I hung up. He phoned back apologetically saying the line had dropped.

The type "run" and enter in the Mint menu search box did nothing, typing "eventvwr" did nothing either though I think I was on the third guy who kept on about the Windows key which was beside the control key. He kept on and on about this key even when I told him I was running Linux appearing to get agitated. I mentioned that it was quite difficult to buy a keyboard without this key as the most common keyboards all had it. I got the impression from him that if your keyboard has this key, you're running Windows! So be aware people!

(Hmmm... Why am I suddenly getting flashes of Vic20s and Commodore 64s which looked like keyboards but were actually computers?) Interesting.

They gave up and asked which browser I was using. As I mentioned, I've told them that I'm not using Windows which didn't seem to put them off at all. I was asked to put www.teamviewer.com in the URL window which does take you to the website obviously then told to scroll down to two blue buttons further down the page which I didn't find.
There were three boxes which blued up when I moused over them, one of which was for downloading remote monitoring software, maybe he meant that. Dunno. Anyway, I wasn't about to download anything!

At this point, about 25 minutes down the line, I thanked them for the entertainment and said that I was now getting bored and was about to go for my tea. (FYI. "Tea" in Scotland is one's evening meal, not to be confused with the drink in this instance, which is also known as tea.)

So far no one's phoned back but I must confess to being curious about this amazing database...

BTW, have you checked out the number of entries for this on Youtube? Brilliant!

Your experiences?

Play Bonny!

 
Old 06-16-2016, 02:55 PM   #2
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The last time I got one of those I just said "Nobody uses Microsoft Windows in this household" and hung up. That was probably a year ago, I haven't heard from them since.
 
Old 06-16-2016, 03:22 PM   #3
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I got one a couple months back. I think the guy had run into too many Linux users that day.

I was also not interested in keeping him on line. If Win users are dumb enough to fall for this they deserve what they get.

I asked how he got my phone number. He just said he was from MS. So they must definitely have a great data base and ability to follow ex users that have moved.

I asked what that had to do with my phone. He replied that THIS IS YOUR COMPUTER WE ARE TALKIING ABOUT!! Definitely pretty pissed off.

Told him it really was my land line phone and my box was in the other room running linux. Bugger called me an @$$hole (fundament for the literate) and hung up on me.

What gets me is that back when I did run Win they were doing this in the 90s. It was obviously not connected to MS. The only reason people would continue doing this is because there are a LOT of people on the 1d10t list that fall for it. This I find really hard to wrap my head around.

As for your question I got bored of this the first time I got a call in 1998 about 20 seconds after answering the phone.

Now I am just astonished each time I hear about such things.
 
Old 06-16-2016, 07:11 PM   #4
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I found it entertaining to play dumb, letting them do what they want in a virtual machine, including trashing the machine when I did not agree to pay money. After the call ended, I mined the session logs I had collected, and reported the source IP address and timings to the local communications authority that deals with these sorts of abuse.

I have never heard anything more.
 
Old 06-16-2016, 08:27 PM   #5
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KevinMitnick.com - Can I help you?
 
Old 06-16-2016, 08:51 PM   #6
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"Hi. I'm John and I'm from Microsoft."

"No, you're not. You're a liar." (click).

Last edited by frankbell; 06-16-2016 at 10:53 PM.
 
Old 06-16-2016, 10:52 PM   #7
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This is hilarious

scammer: This is Dave from the Windows support.

me: Hi

scammer: We are receiving messages from your PC whenever you login that indicate you have viruses on your computer. Did you know that?

me: No I didn't!

scammer: Well sir, we can help you with this. Can you get to your computer?

me: I'm sitting in front of it right now.

scammer: Well sir, on the lower left corner of your keyboard do you see a C-T-R-L key?

me: Yes, I do

scammer: And next to that key do you see a Windows flag key?

me: No, I don't

scammer: You don't...well do you see a "aphen" key?

me: An f-ing key? No I don't see a key like that.

scammer: No sir, an F-N key

me: Oh..yes I see the F-N key

scammer: And to the right of that key, do you see the Windows flag key?

me: No I don't

scammer: You don't?...What key is there?

me: It says Linux

scammer: Click
 
Old 06-16-2016, 10:54 PM   #8
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pwalden, that is a hoot! Thanks for the smile.
 
Old 06-17-2016, 07:22 AM   #9
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scammer: And to the right of that key, do you see the Windows flag key?

me: No I don't

scammer: You don't?...What key is there?
Yes. What is there?
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Old 06-17-2016, 07:32 AM   #10
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The one I got screamed back at me: "This was the only job I could find!"
 
Old 06-17-2016, 07:44 AM   #11
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I get them from time to time. Always an Indian voice and a very noisy office. I tell them I don't run Windows and hang up. I just don't have the patience to play along with them.
 
Old 06-17-2016, 08:53 AM   #12
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I get these from time to time, and I don't have the patience to troll them. I just hang up and get on with my life. Maybe someday when I'm really bored, but I haven't yet been that bored.
 
Old 06-17-2016, 09:45 AM   #13
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Yes. What is there?
Exactly! I was using a Zareason laptop at the time.
 
Old 06-17-2016, 01:51 PM   #14
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I used to get these. It was probably one every two or three months, but not all that common really.

My usual approach was to take them very literally, and see how long it takes them to work out that they are facing a different situation from the one that they think they are facing. Last time, I think they eventually asked me to open the task manager. I suggested that I couldn't do that which left them a bit confused. I didn't say the word Linux to them but I would have if they had asked a question to which it was a reasonable answer.

I could have told them something about KDE System Monitor, but I just couldn't be bothered.

I tend to do nothing above the minimum to be helpful, and just see where they go.

Interestingly back in those days I was using TalkTalk as an ISP. Now they were cheap have decent data speeds (in an area where there is not much choice) but are an organisation you never want to deal with. In the time since I've changed ISP I don't think I've had a single one of these 'I am from Microsoft' calls.

This was back in the days before the 'big data leak' from TalkTalk. At that time they used to deny anything was wrong with their data security (well they managed to leak data, while still claiming that it was nothing to do with bad practice on their part).

Quote:
scammer: This is Dave from the Windows support.
I think if someone said that to me I'd be going down the 'I'm sorry Dave I can't let you do that' route. Just irresistible.
 
Old 06-17-2016, 05:09 PM   #15
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Hi,

It's been a while since a scammer has called me. I guess they finally realized that I was carrying the scammer on with my responses. I just love to throw things back to just frustrate these scammers. Play dumb and linger on with my responses. It can be fun but you need to be able to keep a firm hold on your response techniques.

I look at this way, in that I am keeping this guy from scamming attempts on someone else and get entertained by the bantering. The must have a shared database because I have not received a call in a long time.

I still get solicitors but that too can be fun. I just got one a short while ago from 'The United Breast Cancer Foundation'. Listened too their BS and even got switched to other solicitors. I gave her the same BS and she said "Give me your Credit card information so we can get this help to the women. I told her that I do not give my credit information to a solicitor. She said 'Too bad you cannot give that since these woman need the help'. Send me the envelop. Waste their stamp since I will not fill it with nothing more than a reject statement in the prepaid envelop. If it requires me to stamp it then off to file 13!

I was a bit tired when they called and really did not feel like bantering with the callers.

BTW, The United Breast Cancer Foundation' has poor BBB ratings so be aware.
 
  


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