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frieza 02-15-2005 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marius2
Actually, the registry is one of the few things which *do* make sense under windows (yes, storing all configuration data in one central place known to each and everyone is a good idea. If only it was text based, not binary. MS f***s up even the unf***able.


Linux has been that stable for years. So at least here MS is making some progress. Who knows, maybe one day we'll even see a notepad.exe that can read character<10> linefeed text files?


I think that is one of the many things you're confusing. What system was it actually? A 500MHz (notebook?) PII (unlikely) or a 2500MHz P4? Oh yes, 1280MB ram, right?


No it doesn't. Fat32 can't even handle symbolic links, which are vital to any *NIX.

ok.. let an avid mac user clarify things for you...

macos X.0 uses hfs+ and/or a version of UFS but is compatible with older macos's FS
macos 9.0 and prior use HFS fs
and before that apples had PRODOS FS and dos3.3 fs (not to be confused with msdos)

apples NEVER natively used fat32 or any FAT filesystems, yes, they could acces fat , fat16, and fat32 systems, but through plugins provided by apple.

frob23 02-15-2005 09:54 PM

Re: A public appeal
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Harishankar
See? It's a wind up. This thread is a just a big wind up and nothing less. I'm getting annoyed with people posting such unproductive topics while genuine Linux issues get little response. Please, folks. I make an open appeal to all people here to ignore these threads and perhaps genuine Linux users will get some well-deserved attention.

...

P.S. We've had plenty of Windows v Linux threads here. I am getting sick and tired of them. Can't we have a moderation policy that closes all these threads in the future? It would improve this site's productivity.

This entire reply is a perfect example of a false dichotomy. You have made the [false] assumption that replying to these threads and "productive" threads are mutually exclusive actions. As if, people don't have the ability to reply to both (or none). The fact of the matter is that opinion threads get lots of replies because everyone has an opinion. The questions threads get less because not everyone has the answer.

There is no basis for assuming the site's productivity would go up by preventing any of these threads in the future. Even when I don't respond to them (and I almost never respond to them) their presence entertains me enough that I hang around here when there are no obvious questions I can answer. This actually increases the likelyhood that I will be browsing this site when a valid question gets asked and, if it intersects with my knowledge base, that I will provide an answer.

So, don't piss and moan about threads you don't think people should respond to... especially not as a response to one of them... just because you feel that they should all be paying attention to your threads. Would you really want x-32b to provide an answer for you? Isn't it better that he is wasting time here then sending you down the wrong path?

-Frob

J.W. 02-15-2005 11:32 PM

Re: A public appeal
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Harishankar
Can't we have a moderation policy that closes all these threads in the future? It would improve this site's productivity.
All LQ policies are ultimately determined by the site admin, but as a general comment, so long as a thread does not violate any of the LQ Rules, I'm not sure there would be any real justification to automatically close it (although depending on the content it may be merged with an existing thread on the same topic) While I agree that certain topics seem to be covered again and again and again and again [repeat about 50 more times], I would also note that the 'productivity' of the site is pretty much up to the discretion of the LQ'er -- if person A spends 99% of his time reading and responding to non-Linux topics in General, while person B spends 99% of her time reading and responding to specific threads in a technical forum(s), I think it would be safe to say that "B" will get much more out of LQ than "A" will. What I'm trying to say is just that if a thread is not of interest to you, just move on to the next one. Just my 2 cents -- J.W.

vharishankar 02-15-2005 11:49 PM

Thanks for clarifying J.W.

And Frob32. No need to get upset. I just felt that sometimes these threads become so huge so quickly while genuine problems lay unsolved.

I made the appeal because I myself am aware of how I waste time on them. I feel that these topics tend to distract the genuine Linux users from concentrating on more productive issues. In fact, I would go so far as to say (and you admitted it yourself) that these topics are so "addictive" for the lack of a better term.

So it was just a request. Not a demand. If you feel differently, no problem. But I remain firm in saying that these topics have been beaten to death over and over and over that nothing new will emerge from them. Any thread that mentions "Windows" becomes a Windows v Linux battle and that is really the problem.

There are too many of these threads. I am not against discussion of these topics. All I say is, let's not encourage more of the same.

J.W. 02-16-2005 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Harishankar
I feel that these topics tend to distract the genuine Linux users from concentrating on more productive issues.
Definitely, 100% agreement, but at least from my point of view most everyone is free to decide how to spend their time, and while certain topics may have been covered in the past, sometimes new info comes up in these sorts of threads which otherwise might not have been noticed. As a general (ha!) comment, this forum is kind of a mixed bag, where everyone should expect to see an equal number of interesting plus uninteresting threads. That's just its nature. C'est la vie -- J.W.

vharishankar 02-16-2005 01:43 AM

Yes. Public forum -- public rules.

You're quite right J.W.

But I still haven't figured out how to play MIDI files with OSS drivers :(

J.W. 02-16-2005 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Harishankar
But I still haven't figured out how to play MIDI files with OSS drivers :(
Ha!! Well that makes 2 of us :) FWIW -- J.W.

Cool site BTW

vharishankar 02-16-2005 01:59 AM

Thanks J.W. :)

Well. I compose a lot of instrumental music and I miss it in Linux. I'll be installing Slack soon on my new hard disk so with 2.6.10 and ALSA I think I should be able to get the MIDI to work, hopefully.

oneandoneis2 02-16-2005 03:39 AM

If it's any comfort, Har, I use the A7N8X mobo too, and midi plays fine via ALSA. . .

I even found out how to get Alsa playing sound from more than one app at a time recently :)

vharishankar 02-16-2005 04:00 AM

The problem is that if I install ALSA, it removes the "discover" hardware detection package from my system. That renders my network card unusable.

But no problem. With Slackware 10.0 in my new hard disk, I shall be installing Kernel 2.6 where ALSA is built-in.

pevelius 02-16-2005 04:09 AM

perhaps you could load your modules manually?

vharishankar 02-16-2005 04:11 AM

Well pevelius. Everything is now working fine. Sound works, 3d works, network card works, web server works and so on.

I am not really keen on touching the modules.conf file at the moment.

As I said, I shall be using Slackware 10.0 soon. So I shall experiment all I want with that while keeping my Debian installation free of any problems.

frob23 02-16-2005 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Harishankar
And Frob32. No need to get upset. I just felt that sometimes these threads become so huge so quickly while genuine problems lay unsolved.
Not upset... just replying with my own take on what you said. We all have a right to express our opinions and my opinion is that these threads do not reduce the overall productivity of this site.


Quote:

Originally posted by Harishankar
I made the appeal because I myself am aware of how I waste time on them. I feel that these topics tend to distract the genuine Linux users from concentrating on more productive issues. In fact, I would go so far as to say (and you admitted it yourself) that these topics are so "addictive" for the lack of a better term.
I never admitted the topics were addictive. I claimed that I found them entertaining. That is true. But I come to this site to help people when I can and feel motivated enough to do it. I also get to do this on the clock where I work so it is like getting paid to help people but that is another story. Since I work nights, I am often on when the traffic is very slow (a relative term since this site is never dead). When I can't find a thread where I can or desire to help someone, I bounce around looking for threads that I would find entertaining or enlightening. Having threads like these, gives me a reason to not click the little "X" in the corner of the window and find another site until this one gets new posts. In this manner, my "productivity" at this site is increased by these lousy threads because they work to keep me here when I could be reading other funny stuff on a different site.

I have never responded to one of these threads when I felt there was a thread where I could be helping someone else. But these threads are like the icing... a little treat to make me laugh while I wait for someone to post something "productive."

Quote:

Originally posted by Harishankar
So it was just a request. Not a demand. If you feel differently, no problem. But I remain firm in saying that these topics have been beaten to death over and over and over that nothing new will emerge from them. Any thread that mentions "Windows" becomes a Windows v Linux battle and that is really the problem.
It had to be a request, as I don't believe you (or most people) are in a position to make a demand. And the topics have been beaten to death. They were beaten to death five years ago, and even a few years before that. But they are entertaining. Much like going to religious debate sites and reading their threads... they are a huge waste of time but they often provide a humorous diversion.

In a way, I agree that many in the Linux community do not have the maturity to discuss Windows in a manner which takes a balanced view of it. There are a few and those threads and people are rare gems in the world of communication. I long ago realized that the "Wrong Reason"(tm) to use an operating system was because I hated Windows. And that wasn't why I switched in the first place. I switched because *nix met the needs that I had in a manner most befitting to my personality. As I have no animosity toward Windows (except maybe for the several hundred hours it has stolen from me by requiring me to fix my mother's computer) I do enjoy balanced threads. This is not one of them... it was never destined to be one... from the first post we knew were it was going. And how does that old saying go? "When in Rome..." ;)

vharishankar 02-16-2005 06:15 AM

frob32,

I admit that trying to discourage these types of threads is as futile as trying to squeeze blood out of stone. I think the other one is easier ;)

As I corrected myself -- I still think there should be no *new* threads dealing with Linux vs. Windows. I think a sticky or two in general would do to discuss these. Confining all of them into a thread will actually make the discussions more coherent.

x-32b 02-16-2005 08:32 AM

anyway hers my new desktop notice mozilla fox which i installed for you
http://www.imagehosting.us/imagehost...jpg/?id=239612
or
http://www.imagehosting.us/imagehost...jpg/?id=239612

and which i promptly uninstalled afterwords
sorry its not as good as the new it
it passed the online toolbar install test the one that works for all browsers aparently it got mozzie and fox but ie seems fine

pevelius 02-16-2005 08:52 AM

i haven´t seen too much longhorn screenshots, but is there really that huge stupid sidebar with a stupid huge clock? why not make it a bayern cuckoo clock while at it. or is it a cancelled feature, too?
how can they make all their stuff look so crappy. one would think that a company that big could afford a decent interface designer.

x-32b 02-16-2005 09:41 AM

ok wayyyyyyyyyyyyy sad
but with avalon its a posibility
about the sidebar

you can turn it on
you can turn it off
you can resize it
you can put new tiles in
you can put aps in as tiles
you can remove the clock
you can sdd a new clock

its what you want it to be
i just made it big for the shot
and merged it with the start bar
personly i prefer the plex style oiver slate but its not importent its a beta

liquidtenmilion 03-04-2005 08:13 PM

I am also a longhorn beta tester and it quite frankly sucks.

Let me tell you this too. The build you are using is 4074. Microsoft announced that WinFS was to be axed AFTER THE RELEASE OF 4074.

Mathiasdm 03-05-2005 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by x-32b
I'm afraid you are going to have to go into more detail. Even if you were a drone of Microsoft, I would assume you would know what your commander in chief was saying about the future of the Operating system. But you aren't. That is very clear, you are playing at being more then you are and doing a poor job at it.

The only thing i will repet is
"longhorn is just a stepping stone to a virtural reality os"
dont get fraked out just a 3d os like in the movies
thats where windows is going ok
i cant go into any details

"drone of Microsoft" thanks im flattered i preafer the term beta tester if you dont mind

i can give a link to more 4074 pics if you want

Why would that freak anyone out?
You can already use a 3D desktop in Linux TODAY.
It's called Project Looking Glass.

bornhj 03-05-2005 06:55 AM

Old thread, but OK, I'll keep it up - my previous comments brought about a bit of disagreement.

WinFS HAS been axed... in fact, I have 4074 running right now without even a TRACE of it.

I agree, the registry is a great IDEA, but implementation gets a D.

The sidebar default smaller than that, on the right hand side, with that sized clock, and a normal Start bar on the bottom. The clock face can be changed to not even show an analog face at all, but rather a small calender or the like.

Your screenshots prove absolutely nothing about anything. WinFS was included in 4074, but has been axed from the 5XXX builds currently in inhouse alpha.

Just because you're a beta tester doesn't mean you come out here all boastful. If you look at it the right way, everyone is a beta tester of sorts. I.E. every Fedora user - beta testing for RHEL. Some people say anyone on a 2.6 kernel is a beta tester.

Oh, and PLEASE stop referring to it as a Longhorn BETA, it is not. It is still alpha, and "beta" testers are still running the (surprisingly stable) build 4074.

P.S. As I said earlier, this is the General forum. Granted, it's a distraction every now and then, but I personally never hit this forum anyways - unless the live bookmarks bring me here.

</rant>

KimVette 03-05-2005 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by x-32b
WinFS Axed From Longhorn Client and Server
thats a load of ****

That's okay. I'm running ReiserFS here. :D I don't know why M$ would drop WinFS -that was possibly Longhorn's most attractive feature (aside from possibly getting a non-broken web browser). Windows NEEDS a zero-slack filesystem (there is a LOT of wasted space) and they need the more advanced journaling.

amosf 03-05-2005 05:42 PM

Filesystems have never been windows strong point. They tend to stick with the one they know for a long long time... But then linux sticks with ext2/3 :) It just gives additional choices as well.

KimVette 03-05-2005 06:12 PM

Re: Re: A public appeal
 
Quote:

Originally posted by J.W.
While I agree that certain topics seem to be covered again and again and again and again [repeat about 50 more times], I would also note that the 'productivity' of the site is pretty much up to the discretion of the LQ'er

(snip)

J.W.

Ah, but the big, big problem with it is that repetitive threads make the Search feature less useful. :-/ Not only that, but the hostile "My OS is bigger than your OS" ("My daddy can beat up your daddy?") type of thread only serves to drive away newbies.

KimVette 03-05-2005 06:24 PM

Quote:

bornhj

Just because you're a beta tester doesn't mean you come out here all boastful. If you look at it the right way, everyone is a beta tester of sorts. I.E. every Fedora user - beta testing for RHEL. Some people say anyone on a 2.6 kernel is a beta tester.

Oh, and PLEASE stop referring to it as a Longhorn BETA, it is not. It is still alpha, and "beta" testers are still running the (surprisingly stable) build 4074.[/b]
Beta tester?
Methinks either he got ahold of daddy's MSDN Universal subscription from work, or else he got it off of a P2P network. :D
(note: this is merely my smart-alec guess/opinion of what I suspect, and should not be construed as a factual statement)

Quote:

amosf

Filesystems have never been windows strong point. They tend to stick with the one they know for a long long time... But then linux sticks with ext2/3 :) It just gives additional choices as well.
Actually at its time of introduction, NTFS was possibly one of the best filesystems out there. It supported:

* (some) Journaling
* Encryption
* Atomic permissions (better than *nix there, sorry to say)
* File & Folder Compression (ext has this now - I wish ReiserFS did)
* Hard links
* Symbolic links

Unfortunately, M$ never did fully enable all of the features in the GUI (e.g., you need third-party tools to create symbolic and hard links - it is NOWHERE in the GUI and there is precious little documentation on the API for those features). Also, Encryption wasn't enabled in the GUI until Win2K. Journaling hasn't improved with time and redundancy of the MFT would alone be a huge improvement.

WinFS would have been a strong selling point. By making the GUI less attractive than XP's default skin, adding a sidebar which is of limited genuine use (if you want a sidebar for XP you can download any number of them -- and they're more extensible than Longhorn's!) and making Activation even MORE invasive, they're drastically limiting reasons to upgrade.

amosf 03-05-2005 09:29 PM

NTFS was better. But then anything was better than FAT... I don't know the history of NTFS and where it actually comes form and what it owes to HPFS or whatever. If it wasn't fully utilized you wonder if it wasn't bought in like many things and then patched in to the OS...

But it's time for change. The linux filesystems move on, ext3 but mostly reiser and reiser4 and all the other systems available for the nix's that do as much and more then NTFS...

I'm surprised MS didn't go for the WinFS... I thought it was really the only selling point they had?

KimVette 03-05-2005 10:16 PM

Oh, another thing NTFS supports but is implemented in neither the GUI nor the API: File versioning.

It owes a heck of a lot more to VMS's filesystem than to HPFS. HPFS is not much more than FAT on steroids. NTFS is based on a totally different architecture; one stolen^H^H^H^H^H^Hborrowed directly from VMS - which is no coincidence, considering that the former chief architect of VMS became the chief architect of Windows NT after he left Digital (he's the guy who just left M$ for Google).

amosf 03-05-2005 10:26 PM

As I say, I don't really know the history of NTFS, but it just gives the impression that it was bought or stolen and then poorly integrated into the OS. I don't deny it's a good filesytem. I would like it more openned up for interoperability purposes tho...

x-32b 03-06-2005 09:31 AM

Well ive been emailed with your responces
and hers the final nail in the coffin
a new build

hers my review (on a 256mb 1.6ghz pc)

Review
for the Preliminary Release of
Microsoft® Windows®
Code Name "Longhorn" Build 4082-42xx

So its been a long wait but i can finaly share with you the new fetures etc.
Again this is based on my REAL hands on experince with the builds.
So no spin just the facts.

First some problems printscreen isnt working but the gui hasnt chanded at all
since 4074\4082 avalon shots.So im having trouble getting my screenshots ill find an app to bypass this soon.

Instalation

The same install as 4074\4082
its a simple 3 step process.As with you can install in windows xp (it takes 12 min) reboot to be greeted with your new desktop.

Youll have the option to change whats installed,in reality there are 2 operating systems
installed "Media center" and "Longhorn" ,More on that later.
What is strange is the bootable dvd install you have new options

when you insert the dvd and boot from it
your greeted with a boot screen like the xp one but....thers no windows installed yet
This is windows pe preinstallation enviornment
when it loads you get the fimiler welcome screen from the dvd install
but now there are some new options

install windows ..normal 12 min install

proform aditional tasks..normal but click here

proform aditional tasks\scan
proform aditional tasks\repair
proform aditional tasks\boot

scan
my experience with faith.zip was a precursor to this
its a bootable virus scrubber.

repair
this is a tool to fix serios problems like missing or currupted files in the os
itll fix the ones needed by the os before the login screen

boot
Yep you guessed it its a Knoppix like experience
a striped down os like win 2000 that boots from the dvd.
itll let you edit files copy them etc no media player or paint etc


New fetures since build 4074\4082

well apart from the dvd installer theres a bootable media center os
intagrated virus scanning\removal,New Internet Explorer (a mozzie killer),
Media Player 10 is replaced,Better burning support,A good firewall,NO BALOONS,
New avalon Desktop,Layred Browsing,A simpletron mode,Better Voice control
And a cupple of others

Naff Changes
Again My Computer is now Computer
new wallpaper(for crap pcs who cant use avalon desktops)

Avalon

Fundimental Changes
A cuple of new things.
1 Windows can no be moved in and out in layers ie click on the titlebar move the scrollwhell in the window moves back a layer.
2 the icon layout thas changed, thumbnails are on by default and aranged in layers

Desktop

Ive talked about a 3d desktop before but its here THE "WALLPAPER" IS A 3D BACKGROUNDthere are 2 different ones a tree in a field and some moterway in america
Both are like a scene from a film.
the tree moves in the wind ITS IN 3D day and night are synched with your desktop the sun comes up and it gets brighter The wether changes from day to day.

The same with the moterway in the desert
Cars and stuff go up and down it,the light as the sun comes up shines onto the sidebar
Weird stuff but our 3d os is here.
Now ill be the first person to say this is useless but its kind of like staring out the window
i think its a nice tuch espicly when listeng to "media player" it gives you something to look at.
Give me a New York one please...

Layered Browsing

This is a simple one before i explain
dont try to compair this to a folder in xp os it work there
open up a folder and you get a list of icons and a scroll bar
here the scroll bar is kaput This is used in internet explorer aswell

now turn on thumbnails, in longhorn these are panes of glass suspended in a folder in layers
move the wheel in on your mouse and the "camra" flys in one layer
you see the next layer of files...
Simple and incredibly cool

Ghost Windows

Open up computer with the thumbnails on.now if your using media player and you maximise computer media player "flys" a layer behind your files move the camra in to use it and out ahain to view your files.This can be done with any .exe by clicking on the titlebar with the scrollwheel button.

New Applications

Media center

This is a replacement for media player 10 basicly its the media center edition of xp but its bootable.

when you select it at the boot menu it loads allmost instintly and your greeted with the dvd installers background pic.and the same colordepth\res as when you instyall xp (that screen where it asks for the cd key)
there are 5 objects

my music -intagrated music player
my video -intagrated movie player
my pictures -intagrated picture viewer
play dvd -intagrated dvd player
import -import files from a cd\dvd\memcard etc (wizard)

Functions are the same as media player 10 play dvd,wma,avi
sadly there is no tv recording mode.
In the os its a fullscreen app with ccontrols intagrated into the sidebar giving you an ipod style view of whats playing the cd pic etc its very easy to use and is built into the os ie it loads as part of the os

Internet explorer

Well its a fox killer
ive allready said before it could stop all of those search bar trogens where mozzie gets infected but now
it has layred browsing.
to explain if you have two windows open in fox you can tab through them in ie they are aranged on the Z axis in layers click your mos wheel in or click on the windows icon and the camra moves in through the web page to show the next page.
Its got a dap style download manager with pause resume multiple connections etc
its got an alarming black list of trogen links.
it has a built in cleaner to remove trogens like hijack this.
it seems to be nearly imune to trogens after 3 minuter on a rom site i usualy have xxx toolbar,cool web search etc but ive been there yesterday and the worst i got was a trogen error,os not supported!


Microsofts new search engine

google lovers beware microsofts finaly come up with a new idea.
on the bar youll see the search tile if you click on it and if you type longhorn.
you get a transperent window eith your rusults.no graphics to download just rusults and its fast realy fast
google seems to be in some serious trouble here...

Control Center
like Xteq Systems X-Setup this gives you hunderds of options in a catogry view that are not avable in the control pannel like tweaks and hacks for ie and other apps

thats all the New fetures since build 4074\4082

vharishankar 03-06-2005 09:44 AM

Wow... that's a really informative post there, x32-b. I can't wait to get my hands on Longhorn.

Any idea when it will be released?

amosf 03-06-2005 09:52 AM

Sounds nice... If they do a final version as a free download I might stick it on a drive somewhere for fun...

x-32b 03-06-2005 09:54 AM

thanks its so gratifing to see a post without longhorn is gay

hers an ie7 shot
http://www.freeimagehome.com/images/x32b/annoyances.jpg
as for the resese 2006
but there are free 180 day trials online
like 4074 which was what i origanly posted about
and the susposidly removed...winfs items

http://www.freeimagehome.com/images/x32b/mycomputer.jpg

x-32b 03-06-2005 09:56 AM

as for the free download]you get what u pay for
but free 180 day trials are online

amosf 03-06-2005 10:03 AM

I don't think longhorn is gay. That would be an insult to alternative lifestyles.

Maybe MS could pay me enough to run it on this box...

Maybe...

x-32b 03-06-2005 10:09 AM

you think im payed to brag about?
no im payed to make it crash
NOT EASY
i use reshacker to make aps crash
you all know about auto restore dont you

vharishankar 03-06-2005 10:10 AM

Quote:

Maybe MS could pay me enough to run it on this box...
Come on now, be fair. If they'd ship it for free, it would not be nice to charge them for that.

vharishankar 03-06-2005 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by x-32b
you think im payed to brag about?
no im payed to make it crash
NOT EASY
i use reshacker to make aps crash
you all know about auto restore dont you

Now, now. Nobody's denying that you're a top beta-tester. But it would be nicer if you could post some of the more technical issues that you've encountered rather than talk about its user interface features.

amosf 03-06-2005 10:17 AM

Not easy to make windows crash? Wow, maybe I can get a job! I can get all sorts of windows OS's to crash. Maybe I have a talent for it. I'll have to send Bill my resume...

x-32b 03-06-2005 10:25 AM

o my god

your not anoying
im on a linux form talking about longhorn

tech-pc.co.uk get realy pissed off aND said im a 13 yr old warez junky

what do you want to know??
--------------------------
auto restore
complies with x-32bs theorm

"if the user cannot dect a crash visualy or any other way then the theryoitical crash may be ignored and the os considered stable"

real life usage senario
"ok
were on about autorestore...

hers my discription

The "stall" is gone in a modern pc
"And one of the most important new features is what I call auto reload

Say your typing in wor...Open office
A 5-page essay you haven’t saved yet and it crashes........

In xp or any windows os
Your essay is kaput gone and you get an error message with some number and Sorry

In longhorn
The screen freezes for approx 1 sec and recovers, you get a ! Icon in the
Classic tray, which has your error message hidden away, your 5-page essay Is fine

Or in media player your music restores from where it was pre crash all youHear is a 1 sec stall

Or in any other .exe file
crash,stall,recover with settings/work. "

so since a crash is now undictible
and crashing means a iconm which can be hidden
can we then say the os is now 100% stable?
apart from hardware crashes ie stop errors "


hers a gui shot (alt tab)
http://www.pro-networks.org/longhorn/LH-4074/dwm2.jpg

amosf 03-06-2005 10:33 AM

It's been a long time since I lost any data from an OS crash...

That'll be using linux OS's tho...

amosf 03-06-2005 10:35 AM

BTW, I think It's the typing and spelling that makes you look like a 13yo junky of some sort...

x-32b 03-06-2005 10:46 AM

a men to that
im used to longhorns spell filter
its horrible to begin with
soon there will be translators needed for
b8ta 7str to english!

x-32b 03-06-2005 10:52 AM

dont suppose anyonbe knows what cipher strenth is?
most browsers have 128bit
but lh has 256bit
dunno what that means

liquidtenmilion 03-06-2005 07:47 PM

that screenshot is actually ie6 with a modified gui. Look at help>about.

And slate> all other new longhorn themes.

KimVette 03-06-2005 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by x-32b
you think im payed to brag about?
no im payed to make it crash

Here's the truth for those playing at home:

M$ does not pay beta testers. Beta testers who actively submit usable feedback receive a free license for the full version of the OS. If you provide enough feedback M$ may get generous and give you a free copy of M$ Office as well. They do not pay cash. Thank you for playing. This is another case where "facts isn't x-32b's field of expertise" to borrow another user's statement. :D

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dont suppose anyonbe knows what cipher strenth is?
most browsers have 128bit
but lh has 256bit
dunno what that means
What the browser natively supports doesn't bring much benefit, really, since the site's certificate generally provides the required algorithm. Administrators have been able to implement 1024-bit and 2048-bit certificates for sites for quite a few years now, so please enlighten us as to what the benefit is - please! :D

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In longhorn
The screen freezes for approx 1 sec and recovers, you get a ! Icon in the
Classic tray, which has your error message hidden away, your 5-page essay Is fine
M$ Office, OOo, and even WordPerfect don't already recover data like this? Granted, you don't get the little bang in the system tray (a whoop-de-^H^H^H^H feature) but they do prompt you and say effectively "D'oh! We crashed, but fortunately for you, we saved your sorry behind by caching your data. Would you like it recovered?" to which of course you click "Recover". :D

Edit: x-b32, it looks like you've bought into the Microsoft FUD Hook, line, and sinker. Why you're evangelizing Longhorn on a Linux board, I will never figure out.

JaseP 03-07-2005 12:11 AM

From the one screenshot, it looks like M$ is ripping off SUN's Lookingglass technology... Wonder if they actually paid anything for it, or will just blatently use their bankroll to crush SUN into dust after stealing it?!?!?

x-32b 03-07-2005 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by KimVette
Here's the truth for those playing at home:

M$ does not pay beta testers. Beta testers who actively submit usable feedback receive a free license for the full version of the OS. If you provide enough feedback M$ may get generous and give you a free copy of M$ Office as well. They do not pay cash. Thank you for playing. This is another case where "facts isn't x-32b's field of expertise" to borrow another user's statement. :D



What the browser natively supports doesn't bring much benefit, really, since the site's certificate generally provides the required algorithm. Administrators have been able to implement 1024-bit and 2048-bit certificates for sites for quite a few years now, so please enlighten us as to what the benefit is - please! :D



M$ Office, OOo, and even WordPerfect don't already recover data like this? Granted, you don't get the little bang in the system tray (a whoop-de-^H^H^H^H feature) but they do prompt you and say effectively "D'oh! We crashed, but fortunately for you, we saved your sorry behind by caching your data. Would you like it recovered?" to which of course you click "Recover". :D

Edit: x-b32, it looks like you've bought into the Microsoft FUD Hook, line, and sinker. Why you're evangelizing Longhorn on a Linux board, I will never figure out.


[B]SO LET ME GET THIS STRIGHT YOU THINK THEY GIVE FULL BUILDS TO NORMAL PEOPLE WHO SIGN UP.THEN YOU ARE YOU INSANE
THAT IS GRUNT WORK

NO THIS IS A 1 YEAR OLD BUILD APPROX AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TESTING 4074 FOR TINY ERRORS OR SOME OTHER HACKED DOWN 3 YEAR OLD BUILD

THE SECURITY IN AN "INTERNAL" REQUIRES TELEPHONE PERSON TO PERSON ACTIVATION DURING THE BOOT.The security is unreal.

many people seem to believe that tosh but comon you think they give away internals to little boys.[B]

as for your questions
autorestore is an os feture making it impossible to detect a crash the crash has no negitive effects.
Im A linux user too
And Yes thats ie6 but ie7 looks the same with the zaxis stuff

x-32b 03-07-2005 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by JaseP
From the one screenshot, it looks like M$ is ripping off SUN's Lookingglass technology... Wonder if they actually paid anything for it, or will just blatently use their bankroll to crush SUN into dust after stealing it?!?!?
err ive seen that built from scratch i didnt see any foulplay

i mjight work for ms but im a good guy,my friend brian called me up at 12 last night and sent me a mail with
that BB thing

OMG so cool
i thought it was a fake when i seen the shot
did they make an os out of it?

IsaacKuo 03-07-2005 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by x-32b
a men to that
im used to longhorns spell filter
its horrible to begin with
soon there will be translators needed for
b8ta 7str to english!

Do you have any clue how funny this is?

KimVette 03-07-2005 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by x-32b
SO LET ME GET THIS STRIGHT YOU THINK THEY GIVE FULL BUILDS TO NORMAL PEOPLE WHO SIGN UP.THEN YOU ARE YOU INSANE
THAT IS GRUNT WORK

I have both worked for the Evil Empire (Microsoft) and I have participated in beta programs so I know very well how they work. Just FYI: when I've participated in beta programs, I've submitted detailed feedback (may I mention also that there was no 1337 5p34k to be found anywhere in my defect reports?), with debug info when it was available, usability info, as well as complaints about IP stack problems and limitations, and I have received goodies like the full retail-boxed Windows license as well as other programs like M$ Office for my efforts. No cash though - Microsoft does not pay beta testers. Get that through you skull and quit trying to play yourself up on here. No one reading your posts believes you, except possibly other 13-year-olds who also think that 1337 5p34k is still cool (it isn't. It was cool for about five minutes back in the WWW's infancy).

If you think clicking around as an end user, playing with the latest Microsoft toy in the comfort of your home is grunt work, well, you're in for a culture shock when you are in the real world.

KimVette 03-07-2005 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by IsaacKuo
Do you have any clue how funny this is?
It's actually a sad statement of the current state of most public schools here in America. :(


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