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x-32b 02-15-2005 03:51 AM

Linux VS Longhorn
 
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scuzzman 02-15-2005 03:58 AM

Re: Linux VS Longhorn
 
Quote:

Originally posted by x-32b
how things have changed look who’s the real innovator now and linux and mac Os are still stuck with fat32.
Well, you've showed your ignorance. Truth is, neither Mac nor Linux natively use FAT32...
I don't know what Mac uses as I don't use Macs, but Linux uses (primarily)
reiserfs
ext2
ext3

Also - the title of this thread is flawed, as you make no mention of Linux except from this single statement which is flawed. There is no comparison being done in this thread, it is simply a poor review.

Also, WinFS is not being released with Longhorn. End of story. They're sticking with NTFS right now.

One more thing: Linux is a kernel. A K-E-R-N-E-L. A kernel cannot be compared to an entire operating system.

EDIT: spelling/grammar

frob23 02-15-2005 03:58 AM

1) WinFS is NOT coming out with Longhorn.

That was canned weeks ago. It is going to be in a future release of Windows.

2) Don't advertize windows here.

frob23 02-15-2005 04:01 AM

scuzzman,

Good point, BSD is ffs, ufs, or ufs2... or any number of other formats (so I assume Mac uses that as well). No FAT32... didn't even notice that point in the main article... since the big error (in my eyes) was that Microsoft couldn't even get WinFS stable enough to release so it was diked out in a big press release weeks ago.

scuzzman 02-15-2005 04:06 AM

Mac uses UFS... I knew it, just didn't remember the name.

vharishankar 02-15-2005 04:22 AM

I think this should go into the Distro reviews section :p :D

frob23 02-15-2005 04:30 AM

LOL... yes it needs to be there.

Exactly as it is right now... spelling errors, factual errors, and comments... everything left exactly like it is (with the ability to add of course but not change).

scuzzman 02-15-2005 04:46 AM

Just a few more things to point out as they just entered my mind.

1) WinFS grouping seems very much like the way Mac does it, in that all programs are in an Applications folder, etc.
2) I can organize Linux very easily this way through the use of symlinks.
3) VB/VBS is very dangerous. Fully incorporating .NET into the OS was potentially the dumbest thing Microsoft has ever done.
4) Do you know what Palladium actually is?

pevelius 02-15-2005 04:52 AM

Re: Linux VS Longhorn
 
Quote:

Originally posted by x-32b
Longhorn build 4074

No 6
And one of the most important new features is what I call auto reload

Say your typing in wor...Open office
A 5-page essay you haven’t saved yet and it crashes........

In xp or any windows os
Your essay is kaput gone and you get an error message with some number and Sorry

In longhorn
The screen freezes for approx 1 sec and recovers, you get a ! Icon in the
Classic tray, which has your error message hidden away, your 5-page essay Is fine

Or in media player your music restores from where it was pre crash all youHear is a 1 sec stall

Or in any other .exe file
crash,stall,recover with settings/work.

So does this look like xp with a new skin if you think so stop skipping
Parts
It certainly is a massive change from all other oses


so, does this mean they cannot make the os stable enought to run programs properly? or does it mean that everything you do gets logged all over your system in case someone wants to take a peek at it? maybe both.

bornhj 02-15-2005 05:04 AM

Oh, for the days when they taught spelling in schools....

I have used Longhorn 4074 as well, and it is a great step forward (at least for Microsoft), however it is continuing along the typical Microsoft line of user friendliness and pretty GUIs.

The installation for the RTM of LH will be much different from the alpha.

This whole argument just boils down to the question asked almost every day here: "Is Windows Better Than Linux?"
After using both LH and FC3 extensively, I have to say that even if LH is vastly improved by RTM, I won't buy it. It's just not worth it. Linux IS user friendly enough to compete with LH, especially FC/MDK/SuSE etc.

The thing I personally like most about LH is the new references to drives. It's no longer C:\, D:\, A:\, but rather Longhorn, DVD Drive, Floppy Drive. It certainly makes the FS easier to navigate.
The whole Documents, Games, Music etc. all relies upon WinFS, so it won't be in RTM. It's just grouping WinFS meta tags. When WinFS is off (like I have it) the links serve no use, and are easily removed in the registry (still the stupidist part of Windows).

Quote:

2) Don't advertize windows here.
It's the general forum, we do what we want.

oneandoneis2 02-15-2005 05:12 AM

Hey, at least it looks like they've finally separated apps from the kernel so crashing an app doesn't mean crashing the whole OS - give them credit for THAT much, at least!

The WinFS thing sounds like how I already divide my files up: I have a Docs folder, an MP3 folder, a Games folder. . . it's a bit of a "blinding flash of the obvious", IMHO. (Isn't this also how Rox works?)

If it's well implemented, maybe it'll finally mean uninstalling software will actually remove all the files it installed. Somehow, I suspect it just means it'll be harder to look at the hard drive to see them, tho. Maybe I'm a cynic. . .

If this little list is all that's changed from XP, I'm sadly disappointed. It's pitifully similar to what they've already got, without even a few simple additions like the multiple desktops that Linux users take for granted.

scuzzman 02-15-2005 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by oneandoneis2
If this little list is all that's changed from XP, I'm sadly disappointed. It's pitifully similar to what they've already got, without even a few simple additions like the multiple desktops that Linux users take for granted.
Tabbed F'in browsing!

oneandoneis2 02-15-2005 05:23 AM

True, but by the time Longhorn actually comes out, Firefox will be everywhere :)

x-32b 02-15-2005 05:24 AM

itsactuly a review for longhorn showing how completly different it is
yes i know about ex2 i use knoppix.
its ok but mac os uses fat 32

dont flame its just areview
i should have put in my history
im primalery a linux user
sorry

x-32b 02-15-2005 05:26 AM

And win fs is not canned
see my screenshots
concrete evidence of win fs
it was microspin fs isnt gone
lets leave it at that for now

frob23 02-15-2005 05:39 AM

Let's see, the Longhorn Build 4074 was released before the summer of 2004.

Near the end of summer 2004 we can see this:
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/artic...1640454,00.asp
Quote:

Friday, August 27, 2004
WinFS Axed From Longhorn Client and Server
By Mary Jo Foley
Microsoft confirms developer buzz that its next-gen storage subsystem won't make it into its 2006 client and 2007 server Windows releases.

Microsoft announced on Friday, as expected, that it is cutting some of its planned Longhorn features in order to get the desktop version of the product out the door by 2006.

The Windows File System (WinFS) — technology that was set to simplify information storage and retrieval — won't make it into the final, shipping versions of Longhorn client, company officials confirmed. WinFS also won't be part of Longhorn server, the server complement of Longhorn that is still due out in 2007, as Microsoft announced earlier this year.
And so on. Clearly, you have a fact problem. You can't seem to get them straight. Also, here is some information about Mac and their filesystems:
http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/osx/arch_fs.html

You'll note that FAT32 is NOT their native filesystem and NEVER has been. Breathe deeply... it's okay... the facts won't hurt you.

pevelius 02-15-2005 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by x-32b
itsactuly a review for longhorn showing how completly different it is
yes i know about ex2 i use knoppix.
its ok but mac os uses fat 32

dont flame its just areview
i should have put in my history
im primalery a linux user
sorry

Mac OS X does NOT use fat32. It uses HFS+

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_sy...under_Mac_OS_X

if you are referring to the older OS from Apple, it is comparable to maybe windows 98. and it may very well use fat32, although according to wikipedia HFS+ was made in 1998 and is part of older Mac OS, too.
anyway, no point talking about pre-2000 operating systems.

x-32b 02-15-2005 05:55 AM

I think this should go into the Distro reviews section

yeh ur rite but i cant change it now

so, does this mean they cannot make the os stable enought to run programs properly? or does it mean that everything you do gets logged all over your system in case someone wants to take a peek at it? maybe both.

first of all nospin
i gave you a 100% factual review -ext2 forgot it srry
second
its stable even in this beta it hasent crashed at all to be fair

i invoked a app crash delibritly to see how it would respond its my job and it handeled superbly.

as for this little list

LISTEN
THATS THE BIGGEST CHANGE SINCE DOS
COMPLETELY NEW

1 win fs IS STILL THERE
CLICK HERE FOR CONCRETE PROOF
http://www.imagehosting.us/imagehost...jpg/?id=210670
EXPLAIN THAT AWAY!


The thing I personally like most about LH is the new references to drives. It's no longer C:\, D:\, A:\, but rather Longhorn, DVD Drive, Floppy Drive. It certainly makes the FS easier to navigate.
The whole Documents, Games, Music etc. all relies upon WinFS, so it won't be in RTM. It's just grouping WinFS meta tags. When WinFS is off (like I have it) the links serve no use, and are easily removed in the registry (still the stupidist part of Windows).
wrong you dont have it
and so it won't be in RTM
STOP TALKING ********
Im the registered beta tester here
the entirelonghorn os is built around win fs

Do you know what Palladium actually is?
you got that from hacksector!

Linux is a kernel. A K-E-R-N-E-L. A kernel cannot be compared to an entire operating system.
Replace linux with red hat linux

Hey, at least it looks like they've finally separated apps from the kernel so crashing an app doesn't mean crashing the whole OS - give them credit for THAT much, at least!

CRASHING is realy not annoying in longhorn 1 sec stall
it never did it when i was using it i had to invoke one
but even if it does youll never know it crashes unless you clickon the icon
crashing will be a thing of the past
you will never see another 3 has caused an error in 3.dll
you see a 1 sec stall
its stable on 128mb 500mhz p4

x-32b 02-15-2005 06:03 AM

WinFS Axed From Longhorn Client and Server
thats a load of ****
http://www.imagehosting.us/imagehost...jpg/?id=210670
ok and its not just shortcuts
look explain that pictureaway im not allowed to bive you the build no but in a boild relased within the last month fs was still in ok
again
http://www.imagehosting.us/imagehost...jpg/?id=210670
fs is still in
and yeh i was talken about that old mac os im faily sure it uses fat 32

o and
concururski - Concorde
HFS+ - fat 32

x-32b 02-15-2005 06:05 AM

anyway, no point talking about pre-2000 operating systems
yeh 2000 brougth me back to windows for a while

frob23 02-15-2005 06:08 AM

Look your screenshot of Build 4074 is not concrete proof that WinFS will be in longhorn. I seriously suggest you look into some recent news about Longhorn and WinFS and not a build that is many months old and out of date.

Windows longhorn and the WinFS actually made the Vaporware awards last year because of the announced removal of the filesystem.

Now... take your crappy review... your poor spelling... and your myopic focus... put them all in a little tiny bag and defenestrate them before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

x-32b 02-15-2005 06:09 AM

and one very importent point
The whole Documents, Games, Music etc. all relies upon WinFS, so it won't be in RTM

WIN FS WILL BE IN THE FINAL BUILD OF LONGHORN OR
"phallius xp"
Without it the os wont function
read the technoligy section again
but it may cause the os to be delayed again

scuzzman 02-15-2005 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by x-32b
itsactuly a review for longhorn showing how completly different it is
yes i know about ex2 i use knoppix.
its ok but mac os uses fat 32

dont flame its just areview
i should have put in my history
im primalery a linux user
sorry

1) Actually, just not titling the thread Linux vs. Longhorn would've sufficed.

2) Mac does not use FAT32 (although, it is compatible, but not native)

3) I don't know what "hacksector" is

4) Replace linux with red hat linux - this isn't fair, as RedHat not longer makes an Open-source OS. It's enterprise only. Replace it with Slackware...

5) Hey, at least it looks like they've finally separated apps from the kernel so crashing an app doesn't mean crashing the whole OS - give them credit for THAT much, at least! - Bout time...

frob23 02-15-2005 06:13 AM

Okay, you won't take my word for it. How about Mr. Bill Gates'?

Quote:

Bill Gates
The plan we have does give up WinFS shipping with Longhorn. And so if you want my basic assessment here, the glass is three-quarters full.
http://news.com.com/Gates+Longhorn+c...77.html?tag=nl

x-32b 02-15-2005 06:13 AM

Look your screenshot of Build 4074 is not concrete proof that WinFS will be in longhorn. I seriously suggest you look into some recent news about Longhorn and WinFS and not a build that is many months old and out of date.

im sorry i cant how youpics of build X relesed to me last month
but fs is there sorry maby later on
but fi is still there ive herd some talk of it bieng relesed later on but nothing relibible at some point 98% certen at launch or a while after as a free download
there is a 0% chance of its removavle
the object based os needs it.
sorry i cant go intomore detail

frob23 02-15-2005 06:15 AM

Agreed, this thread would have been a very different thing if the title was not what it was. There have been many, many threads talking about the features of Longhorn that have demonstrated clear thinking and levelheaded investigation. This one picked a poor theme with the title and continued to run with it.

x-32b 02-15-2005 06:16 AM

Okay, you won't take my word for it. How about Mr. Bill Gates'?
humm your thinking of something completly different under the same name
im talking abou......sorry

BW~Merlin 02-15-2005 06:17 AM

I think the delay in the winfs is so they have time to put in the virus, Trojan, worm and spyware folder which will probably be renamed to something like Microsoft extra’s.

x-32b 02-15-2005 06:17 AM

now thats just childish

scuzzman 02-15-2005 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by x-32b
Okay, you won't take my word for it. How about Mr. Bill Gates'?
humm your thinking of something completly different under the same name
im talking abou......sorry

If you're going to shake a tree, be prepare for the apples that fall...
WTF are you on about?

frob23 02-15-2005 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by x-32b
there is a 0% chance of its removavle
the object based os needs it.
sorry i cant go intomore detail

I'm afraid you are going to have to go into more detail. Even if you were a drone of Microsoft, I would assume you would know what your commander in chief was saying about the future of the Operating system. But you aren't. That is very clear, you are playing at being more then you are and doing a poor job at it.

Just fess up, admit you jumped the gun... and get on with your life. Or... show me (by going into detail and providing documented specifics) that I am wrong.

x-32b 02-15-2005 06:18 AM

think the delay in the winfs is so they have time to put in the virus, Trojan, worm and spyware folder which will probably be renamed to something like Microsoft extra’s
itsactuly called valueadd just kidding it just has fonts and 2 at that

scuzzman 02-15-2005 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by x-32b
think the delay in the winfs is so they have time to put in the virus, Trojan, worm and spyware folder which will probably be renamed to something like Microsoft extra’s
itsactuly called valueadd just kidding it just has fonts and 2 at that

And about the FS?

frob23 02-15-2005 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by x-32b
Quote:

frob23
Okay, you won't take my word for it. How about Mr. Bill Gates'?
humm your thinking of something completly different under the same name
im talking abou......sorry

What the heck are you talking about? Please, coherence is treasured in text communications. Try and maintain some level of it.

Now, can you explain what you were trying to say here in response to my post?

x-32b 02-15-2005 06:23 AM

I'm afraid you are going to have to go into more detail. Even if you were a drone of Microsoft, I would assume you would know what your commander in chief was saying about the future of the Operating system. But you aren't. That is very clear, you are playing at being more then you are and doing a poor job at it.

The only thing i will repet is
"longhorn is just a stepping stone to a virtural reality os"
dont get fraked out just a 3d os like in the movies
thats where windows is going ok
i cant go into any details

"drone of Microsoft" thanks im flattered i preafer the term beta tester if you dont mind

i can give a link to more 4074 pics if you want

x-32b 02-15-2005 06:24 AM

What the heck are you talking about? Please, coherence is treasured in text communications. Try and maintain some level of it.

basicly your mixed up ok
computer\games is awalys going to be there
your thinking abuut the fullon filing system

Marius2 02-15-2005 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by x-32b

[...]
The whole Documents, Games, Music etc. all relies upon WinFS, so it won't be in RTM. It's just grouping WinFS meta tags. When WinFS is off (like I have it) the links serve no use, and are easily removed in the registry (still the stupidist part of Windows).

Actually, the registry is one of the few things which *do* make sense under windows (yes, storing all configuration data in one central place known to each and everyone is a good idea. If only it was text based, not binary. MS f***s up even the unf***able.

Quote:


CRASHING is realy not annoying in longhorn 1 sec stall
it never did it when i was using it i had to invoke one
but even if it does youll never know it crashes unless you clickon the icon
crashing will be a thing of the past
you will never see another 3 has caused an error in 3.dll
you see a 1 sec stall

Linux has been that stable for years. So at least here MS is making some progress. Who knows, maybe one day we'll even see a notepad.exe that can read character<10> linefeed text files?

Quote:


its stable on 128mb 500mhz p4

I think that is one of the many things you're confusing. What system was it actually? A 500MHz (notebook?) PII (unlikely) or a 2500MHz P4? Oh yes, 1280MB ram, right?

Quote:


and yeh i was talken about that old mac os im faily sure it uses fat 32

No it doesn't. Fat32 can't even handle symbolic links, which are vital to any *NIX.

x-32b 02-15-2005 06:30 AM

that is one of the many things you're confusing. What system was it actually? A 500MHz (notebook?) PII (unlikely) or a 2500MHz P4? Oh yes, 1280MB ram, right?


look its adell optiplex
System Information report written at: 15/02/2005 12:26:17
[System Summary]

Item Value
OS Name Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional
Version 5.0.2195 Service Pack 4 Build 2195
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name AIT326
System Manufacturer Dell Computer Corporation
System Model OptiPlex GX1 500L+
System Type X86-based PC
Processor x86 Family 6 Model 7 Stepping 3 GenuineIntel ~498 Mhz
BIOS Version Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS Version 1.10 A07
Windows Directory C:\WINNT
System Directory C:\WINNT\system32
Boot Device Not Available
Locale United States
User Name AIT326\itu
Time Zone GMT Standard Time
Total Physical Memory 130,616 KB
Available Physical Memory 9,296 KB
Total Virtual Memory 441,068 KB
Available Virtual Memory 171,248 KB
Page File Space 310,452 KB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys

Marius2 02-15-2005 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by x-32b

look its adell optiplex
System Information report written at: 15/02/2005 12:26:17
[System Summary]

Item Value
Processor x86 Family 6 Model 7 Stepping 3 GenuineIntel ~498 Mhz

That is a Pentium III. "Facts" doesn't exactly seem to be your field of expertise, does it?

x-32b 02-15-2005 06:38 AM

http://www.freeimagehome.com/images/x32b/annoyances.jpg

http://www.freeimagehome.com/images/...oadmanager.jpg

http://www.freeimagehome.com/images/...gerdesktop.jpg

x-32b 02-15-2005 06:39 AM

That is a Pentium III. "Facts" doesn't exactly seem to be your field of expertise, does it?

potato potateo
p3 p4
who cares im an amd 64 man mysely

frob23 02-15-2005 06:43 AM

LOL, how old are you kid?

You big bad beta tester you... ;)

When you grow up enough to handle big bad scary facts... come back. Until then, welcome to my very short ignore list. I think you make person #3. Cherish that number... it belongs only to you... you are part of my elite ignore list beta testers.

x-32b 02-15-2005 06:47 AM

im 6
check my ip
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im doing this part time
see im a realy smart 6 year old
ok realy im 26

Marius2 02-15-2005 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by x-32b

ok realy im 26

I'd say it's really about high time to do something about your spelling and grammar, then. If you mastered that you may try to learn about facts.

harken 02-15-2005 07:07 AM

Marius2, you read my thoughts.
Yet:
Quote:

Minimum Entry Requirements
Grade D3 at ordinary level in five subjects in the Leaving Certificate examination. Two of these subjects must be Mathematics and a language (English or Irish).
Are you sure you passed the English test? Or have you chosen Irish?

Boy, I read the thread only once and it made my head spin.
Actually, what's the point of this whole thread? Ok, it's another guy who tries to convince the Linux users that Window$ is better. There have been many others before him and didn't succeed.
There would be nice for these boards to have some sort of "Ignore" button next to the reply one.

vharishankar 02-15-2005 07:34 AM

A public appeal
 
A public appeal

Why do these types of totally unproductive, utter waste of time threads get so much attention within a few hours? How about somebody solving my problem with MIDI files in Linux for example which has been lying around unanswered for a day:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...hreadid=289961

See? It's a wind up. This thread is a just a big wind up and nothing less. I'm getting annoyed with people posting such unproductive topics while genuine Linux issues get little response. Please, folks. I make an open appeal to all people here to ignore these threads and perhaps genuine Linux users will get some well-deserved attention.

I've been sucked into them in the past and wasted a lot of time. We don't need to keep defending Linux all the time.

Thanks for reading my public appeal!

P.S. We've had plenty of Windows v Linux threads here. I am getting sick and tired of them. Can't we have a moderation policy that closes all these threads in the future? It would improve this site's productivity.

oneandoneis2 02-15-2005 08:07 AM

Quote:

Why do these types of totally unproductive, utter waste of time threads get so much attention within a few hours? How about somebody solving my problem with MIDI files in Linux for example which has been lying around unanswered for a day
Well, speaking for myself, I read your post and had absolutely no clue how to answer it, so didn't.

On the other hand, everybody knows what to say about Windows :)

x-32b 02-15-2005 08:15 AM

well thats dissapointing thats all you got well i guess its windows then

Marius2 02-15-2005 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by x-32b
well thats dissapointing thats all you got well i guess its windows then
Reminds me of the black knight in Monty Pythons Holy Grail ("Just a flesh wound")

KimVette 02-15-2005 12:23 PM

Clean up the grammar, get your facts straight, and that "review" might actually be readable. Also, lay off the huge honkin' fonts!


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