Windows & Pirating

LinuxUser42 · 01-31-2015, 12:34 PM

I am amazed this topic is going....
"Posts containing information about cracking, piracy, warez, fraud or any topic that could be damaging to either LinuxQuestions.org or any third party will be immediately removed."

Since this is asking for admissions of guilt with possible legal implications.

replica9000 · 01-31-2015, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LinuxUser42

I am amazed this topic is going....
"Posts containing information about cracking, piracy, warez, fraud or any topic that could be damaging to either LinuxQuestions.org or any third party will be immediately removed."

Since this is asking for admissions of guilt with possible legal implications.

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Head_on_a_Stick · 01-31-2015, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by LinuxUser42

possible legal implications.

The burden of evidence is upon the plantiff...

TobiSGD · 01-31-2015, 12:53 PM

Please, everybody, stop calling it piracy. Nobody is doing on sea or face-to-face battles, risking their life to get the software that they otherwise would have to buy.
All those alleged "pirates" do is downloading a software from the safety of their homes from which someone else stripped the copy protection.
Call it like it is: a copyright violation.

273 · 01-31-2015, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LinuxUser42

I am amazed this topic is going....
"Posts containing information about cracking, piracy, warez, fraud or any topic that could be damaging to either LinuxQuestions.org or any third party will be immediately removed."

Since this is asking for admissions of guilt with possible legal implications.

In the country in which I reside, at least, statements regarding nebulous, possible, past guilt are not grounds for suspicion -- at least according to the police officers I have communicated with.

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Originally Posted by TobiSGD

Please, everybody, stop calling it piracy. Nobody is doing on sea or face-to-face battles, risking their life to get the software that they otherwise would have to buy.
All those alleged "pirates" do is downloading a software from the safety of their homes from which someone else stripped the copy protection.
Call it like it is: a copyright violation.

A good point, well made.

rokytnji · 01-31-2015, 01:14 PM

No need. My used netbooks are selling quite well on the radio with

http://www.android-x86.org/

They got a app for that.

Edit: Specs of netbooks I am selling on the radio

Code:

harry[~]$ inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: darkstar.example.net Kernel: 3.10.17-smp i686 (32 bit gcc: 4.8.2)
           Desktop: Fluxbox 1.3.5 Distro: Slackware 14.1
Machine:   System: manda (portable) product: Intel powered classmate PC v: Gen 1.5L
           Mobo: N/A model: N/A
           Bios: American Megatrends v: CM94515A.86A.0024.2008.0715.1716 date: 07/15/2008
CPU:       Single core Intel Core N270 (-HT-) cache: 512 KB
           flags: (nx pae sse sse2 sse3 ssse3) bmips: 3192
           clock speeds: max: 1600 MHz 1: 800 MHz 2: 1600 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics Controller
           bus-ID: 00:02.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.14.3 drivers: intel (unloaded: vesa)
           Resolution: 1024x600@53.3hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945GME x86/MMX/SSE2
           GLX Version: 1.4 Mesa 9.1.7 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.10.17-smp
Network:   Card: Realtek RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller
           driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: ec00 bus-ID: 01:00.0
           IF: eth1 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 63.6GB (56.4% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: KingSpce_KSD size: 63.6GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 15G used: 4.2G (29%) fs: xfs dev: /dev/sda1
           ID-2: /home size: 44G used: 29G (65%) fs: xfs dev: /dev/sda3
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 1.05GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 61.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 132 Uptime: 2:50 Memory: 345.2/2005.8MB
           Init: SysVinit runlevel: 4 Gcc sys: 4.8.2
           Client: Shell (bash 4.2.532) inxi: 2.2.16 
harry[~]$

Minus the Slackware, The SSD drive (60 gig Pata substitute) , and 1 gig of ram
instead of 2. I sold one of these in 20 minutes after our local radio station
advertised it. I love dumbed down, name recognition Android.
I think I'll sell my BlackBerry phone and Android Iview Tablet also.
Name recognition sells.

metaschima · 01-31-2015, 01:33 PM

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Statute of Limitations

The statute of limitations is how far back the government can reach in its persecution. For criminal copyright, it is five years. See 17 U.S.C. § 507(a).

http://www.rainminnslaw.com/software_piracy.html

Miati · 01-31-2015, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LinuxUser42

I am amazed this topic is going....
"Posts containing information about cracking, piracy, warez, fraud or any topic that could be damaging to either LinuxQuestions.org or any third party will be immediately removed."

Since this is asking for admissions of guilt with possible legal implications.

I am not providing information about piracy, but how Linux affects pirating is a angle that hasn't really been talked about.
To show the effect that using linux causes less or eliminates pirating, there must be a point of time where possibly increased pirating occured.

This is honestly a very interesting set of responses. If there is so much support for windows because it's the "its just the one everyone uses", why is copyright infringement so common place? Perhaps the support is based on artifical luxury (using a $1500 copy of CS6) rather then reality.

TobiSGD · 01-31-2015, 03:33 PM

Just to get that official: With regards to the LQ Rules there is nothing wrong with this thread. As long as nobody starts to provide links for material that infringe copyright the discussion about effects of open source on copyright infringement is totally fine.

TobiSGD · 01-31-2015, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Miati

If there is so much support for windows because it's the "its just the one everyone uses", why is copyright infringement so common place? Perhaps the support is based on artifical luxury (using a $1500 copy of CS6) rather then reality.

Copyright infringement on the part of end users is, IMHO, so widespread because it is easy (just click on that Download link or link to a Torrent) and people tend to think that it is a crime without victim. You often see the argument that a copyright infringement is different from physical theft because you don't take stuff away, you just copy it. Sadly, what people forget is that there are victims, at first of course the developers and/or artists, which have the right to demand payment for their work.
Second, the people downloading the software. They basically shoot themselves in the foot, with a) the very high chance of getting malware together with the downloaded software, and b) in case of games, sending signals to developers/publishers that the PC platform is not a viable one, due to its high number of copyright infringements.

smeezekitty · 01-31-2015, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TobiSGD

Copyright infringement on the part of end users is, IMHO, so widespread because it is easy (just click on that Download link or link to a Torrent) and people tend to think that it is a crime without victim. You often see the argument that a copyright infringement is different from physical theft because you don't take stuff away, you just copy it. Sadly, what people forget is that there are victims, at first of course the developers and/or artists, which have the right to demand payment for their work.
Second, the people downloading the software. They basically shoot themselves in the foot, with a) the very high chance of getting malware together with the downloaded software, and b) in case of games, sending signals to developers/publishers that the PC platform is not a viable one, due to its high number of copyright infringements.

This is faulty logic. It assumes that a pirate would buy a legal copy if a pirated copy was not available.
In some cases this is true, but many cases it is not.
Transferring the data on a third party server costs the developer nothing.

Now the crackers/uploaders are potentially (slightly) harming the developer because they are making it possible to download it illegally.

Habitual · 01-31-2015, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by metaschima

download the full product (McAfee is a great example).

I know something about that.

LinuxUser42 · 01-31-2015, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Head_on_a_Stick

The burden of evidence is upon the plantiff...

There is a difference between a criminal case and a civil case. (admissions of guilt, poponderence of the evidence, etc)
I figured you as a third party by the quote I did and your intial post, with an admission of some software that was sold within both the criminal and civil aspect time frames and figured it was a putting the owner of the site, at risk for BSA subpoena. TobiSGD says otherwise, so it stays.

smeezekitty · 01-31-2015, 05:42 PM

Well LQ does have a disclaimer.

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All messages express the views of the author. LinuxQuestions.org will not be held responsible for the content of any message.

dugan · 01-31-2015, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Head_on_a_Stick

The burden of evidence is upon the plantiff...

That's not true anywhere.

In fact, the standard practice is that if the defendant doesn't go to court, then the plaintiff automatically wins.