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frankbell 10-01-2014 10:46 AM

Windows 9 Is No More
 
This is another great moment in public relations.

Microsoft is skipping right to Windows 10.

http://www.seattlepi.com/business/te...es-5791067.php

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The company on Tuesday gave an early preview of the new Windows 10 software, which it aims to begin selling by the middle of next year. Although the current version is called Windows 8, Microsoft says it's skipping ahead to Windows 10 to emphasize its effort to move forward.
I reckon they just want to forget . . . .

Izalco 10-01-2014 10:57 AM

Are they apologizing for 8 or are we celebrating?

cynwulf 10-01-2014 11:01 AM

The names and numbers, e.g. 95, 98, ME, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1 are just marketing. The real release/version numbers are more consistent. The latest windows version is only 6.3

Smokey_justme 10-01-2014 11:08 AM

Here's Joe Belfiore talking about the preview version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84NI5fjTfpQ

To be honest I think I'll like how the new tiling works and like to see something like this in Linux :) The rest seems kind of out of reach, even for MS... I really can't see the same OS on so many different platforms... Not to mention that having the cloud out-of-the box is something I hate even on my phone, not to mention on a desktop OS...

It's interesting, however, and worth a look at (specially from a developer point of view).. Of course, it's still Microsoft with it's EULA and any OS they make won't matter much for most of us here :)

And about the name, well, marketing.. 10 just beats 9 :))

jlinkels 10-01-2014 01:12 PM

I wonder ...

Why would they insist of making a GUI as non-intuitive as possible? Move to this corner, then that corner, then swipe, click on symbols, whatever. Yesterday I tried to find the command line on a Windoze 8 box. Haha.

In Linux we have the "rule of least surprise" which should be used for CLI applications. Which can be used if you remember something only half. That attempt to standardize is done for a reason. To make it easier for the user. Why would you do the opposite.

BTW, same thing goes for the MS Office ribbon of course. Everything is easy to find if you know where you have to look.

jlinkels

Izalco 10-01-2014 03:43 PM

in Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Administrative Tools try one of the Power$hell tools or in the start menu enter cmd.exe


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[/COLOR]in Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Administrative Tools try one of the Power$hell tools or in the start menu enter cmd.exe

I thought that Windows 9 was a game like "Find Waldo"

I am glad that I am retired and do not have to use Micro$oft Window$.

rokytnji 10-01-2014 04:00 PM

These go to 11 is all this reminds of.

sycamorex 10-01-2014 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rokytnji (Post 5247715)
These go to 11 is all this reminds of.

Love Spinal...!

jlinkels 10-01-2014 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Izalco (Post 5247700)
in Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Administrative Tools try one of the Power$hell tools or in the start menu enter cmd.exe

Start menu in W8...right!

jlinkels

sundialsvcs 10-01-2014 07:22 PM

My favorite "new Windows story" ...
 
... comes from Windows-7.

Sure, on the one hand, this version of Windows will allow you to double-click on a PKZIP file and see its contents ...

... but, unlike every(!) preceding Windows version, it simply does not know how to handle a Zip-file that is encrypted.

There's no opportunity to enter the password, and if the file is encrypted, you get "Unknown error."

There's also no possibility of creating a file that is password-protected.

To do any of these things, you must use a third-party tool such as WinZip.

The omission, apparently very-well documented, is (to me) "utterly and completely baffling."

frankbell 10-01-2014 08:08 PM

Quote:

Why would they insist of making a GUI as non-intuitive as possible? Move to this corner, then that corner, then swipe, click on symbols, whatever. Yesterday I tried to find the command line on a Windoze 8 box.
Oh, my. I've had to do the same thing to do a ping to help a friend get her new Windows 8 computer working. Took me half an hour to find the command line, half a second to ping google.com.

Regarding your question, I think that their GUI design is driven as much be marketing as by usability. It's like car models in the 1950s and 1960s. Every model year, the manufacturers would move all the chrome around to convince users that there was a new, redesigned car underneath, when, actually, it was the same old car with a few tweaks.

To make each new version sell, Windows moves all the chrome around in every new model.

As for why Windows 8 was as bad as it was, just consider Steve Ballmer's decision-making track record.

Smokey_justme 10-01-2014 08:44 PM

In all fairness, the Windows GUI is in principal, exactly like Gnome 3 (and derivates) and KDE 4... Always changing, having a lot of futures, having a lot of down-sides... People will always get bored by the same thing and in the mean time always want to find things in the same place.. So it's hard to please everyone in this aspect... Besides the obvious fail in the GUI of Windows 8 (which, besides that is a great OS -- but more like a test-runner for M$), Microsoft has done the same thing now as he always does... Let all things in place, but just move them a bit and bring new eye-candy..

I think that, with the exception of Windows 8, they did a great job so far at keeping things easy to find if you're already used to Windows.. and quite not that hard to find if your a complete beginer..

@frankbell: The thing is that people in Windows really, really don't use the CLI so it would be strange for them to leave it in plain sight.. And for people who actually use the CLI it's a no-brainer to create shortcuts or just use the keyboard to type the "cmd" command in the search box (or the run box.. your choice)

frankbell 10-01-2014 08:57 PM

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The thing is that people in Windows really, really don't use the CLI so it would be strange for them to leave it in plain sight.
Not leaving it in plain sight is one thing. Actively hiding it is another.

Smokey_justme 10-01-2014 09:12 PM

Well, since you're talking about windows 8, I agree.. But it's still a matter of getting used to... The up-side is that once you find the command prompt you start getting to realize the (not so) logic behind the menu and can find almost anything.. Until you want to shut down.. Then you need to search in a different (not so) logical place..

Anyway, back to my point... Does anyone know if the tiling feature presented in the video is available somewhere in the Linux world? I really like it..

brianL 10-02-2014 04:23 AM

8 to 10? That's nothing! Slackware jumped from 4 to 7! :p to Microsoft. :)


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